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Quote: kirkstaller "Now wasn't that much more dignified than having a doctor murder him?

RIP Tony'"


the last 7 years of his life were hardly dignified though were they?

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Quote: Sheldon "Absolute scumbag.'"


I agree.

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Quote: kirkstaller "That didn't come across as well asI would have liked. I was just trying to make the point that there can be dignity in life and death without assisted suicide.'"


I've read your posts, it sums you up perfectly.

Self righteous .

No doubt you'll pop back up in a couple of weeks to preach again after getting more ill informed unwanted comments from that idiot Ray Comfort.

Don't choke on a banana.

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Quote: kirkstaller "That didn't come across as well as I would have liked. I was just trying to make the point that there can be dignity in life and death without assisted suicide.'"

You really are a sanctimonious, heartless little sh[ii[/it aren't you.

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Quote: stouffer "You really are a sanctimonious, heartless little sh[ii[/it aren't you.'"


I was only contrasting what has actually happened to what would have happened had the courts reached a different conclusion.

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Quote: kirkstaller "That didn't come across as well as I would have liked. I was just trying to make the point that there can be dignity in life and death without assisted suicide.'"


I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I really hope you don't have a position of influence over any children that may believe what you're saying is true! Blind religion is the true evil and people who believe every word of the chosen texts at face value, like you.

If you actually understood the bible, instead of just paying lip service to save yourself when you die, you will know that it has nothing to do with God, miracles or angels. It was produced at a time when science consisted of poking a dead frog with a stick and the only way to make people treat each other better was to scare them and make them god-fearing. The message mainly of the new testament is basically treat each other nice.

As you know, from our previous discussion, that is the teaching in the story of judgment day - a story you decided you don't have to comply with as long as you go to church and pray to yourself. You were found out then as a goat, and you have been found out here no better off.

I'm not bashing religion, Churches are nice places to go and generally have nice people inside them. If you understand the theory of the bible, you can learn a lot about yourself and how you can be a better person (I don't mean by sacrificing lambs and killing your brother). What I hate is when people unthinkingly try to push religious fundamentalism in people's faces and pass it off as what the texts says so must be true.

I feel sorry for Tony's family on his loss, however think it will be melancholic.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "You've been got, hundreds of times, and not just by me. Monty Python's knight has nothing on you.'"


Sorry I don’t get the MP reference.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "They are in no meaningful way "decisions" given that according to you each and every one was pre-ordained by your god.'"


What do you mean by pre-ordained? Tell me what that entails.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Utterly ridiculous analogy. At no time did you have foreknowledge of what would happen in any future event. You chose to view a historical event. A better analogy would be if you had created a player and knew that tomorrow he would be sent off, for fouling another player. As the event has been pre-ordained, he has no choice in the matter. If he does not foul the player and does not get sent off then you would have been wrong and for a god that would never do.'"


Your analogy does not work because it presumes that God sees things in a certain order. God exists outside of time and therefore looks back on things which have already happened, he watches things as they happen, and he looks to the future and sees what happens then.

God does not dwell solely in the present, looking into the future. He equally looks back on things which have already happened. If they have already happened, how did God have any say in them? Things are not just pre-ordained, they are as much post-ordained.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Say what? As predicted, you have just come up with some more metaphysical mumbo jumbo, as you invariably do whenever something is too hard. You just make absurd claims and state them as if they are some sort of fact, not a breathtakingly nutty proposition, based on no evidence at all. No, I do NOT "remember" that "god exists outside of time" - he does not exist at all.'"


I’m sorry, but the concept of God requires us to examine metaphysical questions.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "* I mean it is nutty to say, for example, that women cannot teach, and I was wondering whether you agree that women cannot teach, which would be nutty. I presume, from your answer, that nuts it is?'"


Women do not have any teaching authority over men. That is what I believe because the Scriptures teach this.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "I'm quoting your Bible! So at least you agree that [isome[/i of the Bible is bollox? Progress, I suppose.'"


No I don’t admit that. I was saying that the passage you quoted does not convey any moral message from God.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Say what? What is he threatening to do "to David"? He's actually threatening reprisals not to David, but to someone nothing to do with the issue which so upsets god.'"


No.

This is the problem with quote mining on the internet instead of actually picking up a Bible and reading it. The threat is made to David.

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Quote: kirkstaller "I was only contrasting what has actually happened to what would have happened had the courts reached a different conclusion.'"


no, you're a scumbag

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Quote: kirkstaller "Sorry I don’t get the MP reference.'"

Well then JFGI

Quote: kirkstaller "What do you mean by pre-ordained? Tell me what that entails.'"

Well, ...

Quote: kirkstaller "... Things are not just pre-ordained, they are as much post-ordained.'"

What do you mean by pre-ordained? Tell me what that entails.

Quote: kirkstaller "...Women do not have any teaching authority over men. That is what I believe because the Scriptures teach this. '"

Then you are a mysogynist anachronism. Shame on you. Your sexist and grossly unreasonable attitude appalls me.

You still don't explain why what is OK for Jesus is not OK for someone like the late Nicklinson?
Anyway, I have shown up your ramblings for what they are and youclearly have no intention of dealing with the above issue so that just about sums up your evasion and mumbo jumbo, really.

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Quote: Kirkstaller " I don't get the MP reference '"

I think our favourite aardvark was meaning the Black Knight (no, not Batman) who starts a fight, ends up armless and legless and declares it a draw.

And as a parting shot declares "I'll bite yer legs off!"

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Quote: gateaux "I'm glad he has died and no longer has his life in the hands of the court. The police have confirmed they aren't going to investigate'"


RIP.

Yes and the police leaving it alone is a further blessing.

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Quote: Wanderer "RIP.

Yes and the police leaving it alone is a further blessing.'"


Agreed

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Wonder what works best, foam or feather?

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Quote: kirkstaller "Now wasn't that much more dignified than having a doctor murder him?

RIP Tony'"


I was chatting to my mother about this case and mentioned this thread. (she is a catholic, goes to church, says her prayers etc.....)

Even she was ashamed of the things you've written and that's without the quote above.

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What a great shame that his daughter had to even write this tweet ‏@laurennick87

To all those press photographers hovering outside the house - shame on you. Please respect our request to be left in peace. [/i

Sorry but if that was me I'd be outside putting the [is[/ihitehawks' lights out

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Dewsbury
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
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v
Wigan
17:30
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v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
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v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
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v
St.Helens
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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