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| Quote: World of Redboy "The police should have used water cannons on them at the very least.'"
You'd have thought that after a couple of months it would have sunk through even the thickest scull, we didn't have water canon available to mainland forces at the time and even now they are only available at something like 24 hours notice.
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| Quote: Big Graeme "You'd have thought that after a couple of months it would have sunk through even the thickest scull, we didn't have water canon available to mainland forces at the time and even now they are only available at something like 24 hours notice.'"
The fact he suggestd their use would suggest he considers they should be available
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| Quote: Starbug "The fact he suggestd their use would suggest he considers they should be available'"
The fact that they weren't available and have never been available kinda negates that.
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4998.jpg Diablo1967 said ''A pub-landlord running a professional sporting outfit in the best league in the hemisphere? Laughable'':4998.jpg |
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| Quote: Big Graeme "You'd have thought that after a couple of months it would have sunk through even the thickest scull, we didn't have water canon available to mainland forces at the time and even now they are only available at something like 24 hours notice.'"
Is that so? rlhttp://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmhaff/1456/1456vw.pdfrl
32. The senior police officers we spoke to made it clear that the power to use equipment
such as water cannon and baton rounds was available, but such equipment was not used
because it was not considered suitable in the type of situations that they encountered.
Yes, it was available, but they chose not to use it.
As for inflaming the situation, well they shouldn't have been rioting in the first place.
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| Quote: World of Redboy "Is that so? rlhttp://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmhaff/1456/1456vw.pdfrl
32. The senior police officers we spoke to made it clear that the power to use equipment
such as water cannon and baton rounds was available, but such equipment was not used
because it was not considered suitable in the type of situations that they encountered.
Yes, it was available, but they chose not to use it.
As for inflaming the situation, well they shouldn't have been rioting in the first place.'"
In words so simple even you can understand, the power to use something doesn't make it available for use, if you can show me where, on the mainland, water canon were based and able to be used you might have some argument.
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4998.jpg Diablo1967 said ''A pub-landlord running a professional sporting outfit in the best league in the hemisphere? Laughable'':4998.jpg |
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| This isn't about whether they were located in mainland britain, this is the fact that if the police had wanted to, they were available to have been sent across from Northern Ireland to be used. Therefore they were available to the police to get and use, or is that too simple for you to understand? The riots weren't just a one night showing.
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| Quote: World of Redboy "This isn't about whether they were located in mainland britain, this is the fact that if the poice had wanted to, as they were available, to have got them sent across from Northern Ireland. Therefore they were available to use, or is that too simple for you to understand? The riots weren't just a one night showing.'"
"Hang on you rioting chaps, can you come back in 24-48 hours so we can sort out the water canon, see its in Northern Ireland at the moment and we need time to get them here"
Yup, I'm sure that would have worked...
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4998.jpg Diablo1967 said ''A pub-landlord running a professional sporting outfit in the best league in the hemisphere? Laughable'':4998.jpg |
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| Quote: Big Graeme ""Hang on you rioting chaps, can you come back in 24-48 hours so we can sort out the water canon, see its in Northern Ireland at the moment and we need time to get them here"
Yup, I'm sure that would have worked...'"
funnily enough, the rioters did do that.
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| Quote: World of Redboy "funnily enough, the rioters did do that.'"
With 24 hours notice the old bill were able to put enough bodies on the ground that they could contain and end the riots, the reason the riots spread was it seemed like they'd lost control, it wasn't because they didn't have water canon or baton rounds to hand.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Big Graeme "With 24 hours notice the old bill were able to put enough bodies on the ground that they could contain and end the riots, the reason the riots spread was it seemed like they'd lost control, it wasn't because they didn't have water canon or baton rounds to hand.'"
Whereupon all the other cities and towns suffered because their coppers were saving London
If they had had wc and br to hand then they might not have lost control in the first place
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| Quote: Starbug "Whereupon all the other cities and towns suffered because their coppers were saving London'"
Erm, no. No they didn't
Quote: Starbug "If they had had wc and br to hand then they might not have lost control in the first place'"
If it had been a riot like the student riots earlier in the year then aye, you'd be right. I seriously doubt (as do many chief constables) that those tactics could have coped with small groups, coming together for 10-15 minutes of mayhem and vanishing again.
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| I'm sure it was reported on the local news that Police from surrounding counties had been brought into London.
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Yes, thought i hadn't imagined it
1.Thames Valley
2.Essex
3.Kent
4.Surrey
5.City of London.
Quote: "Last night the Met had four times the officers on the streets, some 1700, than on the first night of rioting in Tottenham. Officers also were drafted in for the third night from outside London, with the Met ferrying in reinforcements from forces in Thames Valley, Essex, Kent, Surrey and City of London.'"
re-edit
Apparently in later editions it went up to 12 outside police forces being drafted in to help
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Big Graeme "Erm, no. No they didn't
If it had been a riot like the student riots earlier in the year then aye, you'd be right. I seriously doubt (as do many chief constables) that those tactics could have coped with small groups, coming together for 10-15 minutes of mayhem and vanishing again.'"
So the lack of officers in Manchester was nothing to do with the van loads that went down to the smoke on the second night?
Quite often it is the threat of what is available that prevents crimes being committed
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| Quote: Starbug "So the lack of officers in Manchester was nothing to do with the van loads that went down to the smoke on the second night?
Quite often it is the threat of what is available that prevents crimes being committed'"
Manchester police didn't go to London.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Big Graeme "Manchester police didn't go to London.'"
Not what i was told, but they might have been wrong, however it was the head of the GMP on the radio disscussing it the day after , I'll bow to your superior knowledge though
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