So government bodies who actually run the NHS are not valid sources of information on the NHS?

Ha-ha, if you say so m'lard. I don't think this discussion is going anywhere, have fun!

Not without any explanation of the methodology to subtsantiate their claims, NO.

It's similar to Cameron describing yesterday's strike as a "damp squib". All you have evidenced so far are opinions, weighing heavily on a previously discredited political-medico, twisting his own "facts" to suit his personal agenda. Not unlike yourself in fact

It always helps to post what you actually mean, yes.



So the French are all dying at a younger age than they should, from these diseases, then? And the rates of death from such health problems in the UK has come down as we've successfully demonised natural saturated fats, yes?

I have no clue how they calculate the £4.2 billion, but if it is accurate then as UK consumers spend approx £14.5 billion annually on junk food (probably much more, if you widen the definition beyond the fast food chains, pizza Chinese and Indian takeaways) then I'm guessing the VAT take on that, plus the Tax and NI on the businesses and generated by the people who work in them, not to mention the business rates and corporation tax produced, the fuel duty on delivery vehicles then I would say financially HM Gov comes out well on the right side of the equation, wouldn't you?

Then you need to define "balanced" and also "in moderation". And WTF is "good phiz" when it's all at home?

I could easily follow Mintball's statement, yours left me totally confused.

People who post such semi-illiterate stuff as "good phiz" are clearly are not getting the right fatty nutrients to support their brain cell.

Reminds me of something my nan said a good few years ago when my grandad was alive

i remarked when he was eating fish that it helped develop your brain eating a lot of fish to which my nan replied in another room

"He must have been eating bloody goldfish all his life then"

CANT COOK WONT COOK ! take away's are the nations answer to the fact that people are just bone idle!

ok clever clogs - first of all please explain to me (and a few others it seems) what a 'good phiz' is ?

and then please explain your theory to my good lady who has lost much of her large intestine and two thirds of her liver making eating certain things,that is things which the system finds hard to digest for various reasons...

I,on the other hand can and do eat anything,usually 'in moderation',I love my food and appreciate it,that's probably why i'm obese (ish) but don't come on here and make sweeping generalisations that make you look rather silly not to mention coming out with phrases which not common within my 'oldie' circles !

And people who have a self important pompus style as as yours, who then have to pick fault with grammar have lost the argument.

Quote: sanjunien "ok clever clogs - first of all please explain to me (and a few others it seems) what a 'good phiz' is ? and then please explain your theory to my good lady who has lost much of her large intestine and two thirds of her liver making eating certain things,that is things which the system finds hard to digest for various reasons... I,on the other hand can and do eat anything,usually 'in moderation',I love my food and appreciate it,that's probably why i'm obese (ish) but don't come on here and make sweeping generalisations that make you look rather silly not to mention coming out with phrases which not common within my 'oldie' circles !'" Check out this site for some basics on body shape and metabolism www.intense-workout.com/body_types.html good phiz is physical exercise, and it doesnt need to be sweating like a suicide bomber and blowing out of your harris, especially to lose weight. As for you wife sorry to hear of her unfortunate procedure, i wouldnt class her as mrs average when looking at her digestive system and ofcourse a special diet will be required. Enjoy your phiz

Quote: sanjunien "ok clever clogs - first of all please explain to me (and a few others it seems) what a 'good phiz' is ? and then please explain your theory to my good lady who has lost much of her large intestine and two thirds of her liver making eating certain things,that is things which the system finds hard to digest for various reasons... I,on the other hand can and do eat anything,usually 'in moderation',I love my food and appreciate it,that's probably why i'm obese (ish) but don't come on here and make sweeping generalisations that make you look rather silly not to mention coming out with phrases which not common within my 'oldie' circles !'" Check out this site for some basics on body shape and metabolism www.intense-workout.com/body_types.html good phiz is physical exercise, and it doesnt need to be sweating like a suicide bomber and blowing out of your harris, especially to lose weight. As for you wife sorry to hear of her unfortunate procedure, i wouldnt class her as mrs average when looking at her digestive system and ofcourse a special diet will be required. Enjoy your phiz

"A good workout" doesn't need to be in the form of an organised exercise routine, certainly doesn't need a gym, in fact I'd ban gyms altogether for someone who simply wishes to lose a little weight and feel a bit fitter (not be out of breath after walking up a slight hill for instance).

Cycling 15 miles a day to/from work (total mileage) lost me a stone in six weeks which is unsustainable but welcome at the same time, more importantly I started to feel fit again and yet was still 16 stone - since buying a car for the winter I have maintained the current weight but am now missing the cycling and seriously thinking of leaving the car behind three days a week and getting some rain on my face again, it certainly wakes you up in a morning.