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Quote: grabbing "A spokesman for Royal Devon and Exeter NHS Trust said

This sounds like a total copout to me. It is patent rubbish.

What risk of injury is there though?

Are Muslim female employees allowed to wear a hijab? If the confused patient was minded to reach out and grab something in the area of the nurse's throat, they could get a much better grip and much more purchase by grabbing a head covering that fits around the head and throat. On the face of it, if there really is a "grabbing" risk, in what way is it greater for a necklace than for a hijab?

In case any idiot concludes I am either supporting "rights" to wear religion-related items, or picking on any religion, I'm not. I am questioning what is the REAL reason for this so-called rule. The "grabbing" issue really is a made-up non-issue, and in truth, the patient who was confused and compelled to "grab" could just as easily grab the lapels, say, of a non-hijab wearing, non-necklace wearing nurse and so far as I can see the risks would not be materially different. Indeed, there was a suggestion that you could pin some symbol to your lapel, albeit on the "inside" of your lapel. How is that safer? If a confused patient firmly grabs by a lapel where there is any form of pinned badge, there's an obvious risk of injury there, minor injury yes, but certainly to my mind a no less than any such risk posed by a necklace, and probably more.

I do not support the right of any employee to wear religious symbols of any sort, because I do not accept there is any such "right". At the same time, the employer should be frank as to what they really aim to do and why, and not cover up their bad decisions by flannel and bullcrap. If a person wants to manifest some form of clothing or jewellery or apparel, whether religion-related or anything else, then as long as it complies with a sensible clothing policy, let them. In the case of a nurse, I cannot see why either a hijab, or a necklace, with or without crucifix, poses any sort of problem and anyone who banned either on H&S grounds would be indulging in unadulterated "fear of compensation culture" nuttiness that should be stamped out wherever it rears its ugly head.

Necklace? Risk? Give me a break. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: kirkstaller "

The bottom line is, you should be able to discriminate against customers on any basis you like, but not employees. It is unreasonable for someone to lose their livelihood, it is not unreasonable for someone to go to the B&B/shop down the road.

In today's free market people can vote with their feet if they don't like it.'"


You're picking and choosing your viewpoint now though, its clearly a ridiculous standpoint to take to state that a business can discriminate against anyone or anything, except their own employees - and why would they want to ?

Fact of the matter is that as a business owner you abide by the current laws of the land and there are a myriad of them to comply with, there is no cop-out excuse that says you can ignore them if you were trading before they became law or for any special religious beliefs - your place of business is subject to all laws, its not a pick-and-mix situation.

The fact that their place of business is also their house is totally irrelevant.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "This sounds like a total copout to me. It is patent rubbish. '"



Patent rubbish or not, nurses aren't allowed to wear jewellery (my wife is a nurse) so why should a religious person be any different?.

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Quote: christopher "Patent rubbish or not, nurses aren't allowed to wear jewellery (my wife is a nurse) so why should a religious person be any different?.'"


Because some appear to think that religion is special and religious people deserve special treatment.

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Quote: Mintball "Because some appear to think that religion is special and religious people deserve special treatment.'"


religous people do deserve derision, they are lunatics, see kirkstaller for details.

I hate, with a passion, his ilk, they offer no value to any society.

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Quote: Standee "religous people do deserve derision, they are lunatics, see kirkstaller for details.

I hate, with a passion, his ilk, they offer no value to any society.'"


Bit strong.
They are allowed to be indoctrinated, unfortunately.

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We might as throw this one into the equation.
Prejudice rather than offence.
Six months? icon_smile.gif

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