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Quote: Hull White Star "I don't listen to polls, I'd rather listen to people who were there living through it at the time, having their milk taken away and having to pay their poll tax from their YTS £29.50/40hr week wages and at the same time donating to the miners childrens fund from said (slave) wages.'"

Don't worry about it, Mrs HWS. The polls are an irrelevant distraction from a quick, lazy search on Wikipedia.

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Given that most polls are commissioned by one or other interest group it could be difficult to satisfy your criteria - but then that is what you want!!

But here goes - June 2011 Reuters/Ipsos Mori political monitor poll for the Daily Telegraph suggest Mrs Thatcher was the most capable of recent prime ministers but Blair the most likeable?

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Quote: Hull White Star "I don't listen to polls, I'd rather listen to people who were there living through it at the time, having their milk taken away and having to pay their poll tax from their YTS £29.50/40hr week wages and at the same time donating to the miners childrens fund from said (slave) wages.'"


I lived through the three day week when electricity was rationed due to the miners strike of 1972, I also lived through the Callaghan/Healey debacle when rubbish didn't get emptied, bodies didn't get buried and top rate tax was 83% and basic rate was 33% and the IMF were required to Healey out of the crap.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "But here goes - June 2011 Reuters/Ipsos Mori political monitor poll for the Daily Telegraph suggest Mrs Thatcher was the most capable of recent prime ministers but Blair the most likeable?'"


I'd agree with that, but then it isn't as subjective as "best" and I'd guess the questions were a little more refined and the sample size a little more representative than that some of those linked to.

You probably find Blair was towards the top of some of those polls linked to, popularity within a certain sample of the population isn't an indicator or how the wider population feels.

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I have a bottle of champagne ready for when she pops her clogs which I will drink to the tune of "Ding dong the witch is dead" from "Wizard of Oz". I will the be a true champagne socialist icon_wink.gif

Ajw 71, I suggest you listen to "Tramp the dirt down" by Elvis Costello to see why we hate her. She destroyed the entire economies of some towns, started the move away from free university education and sold off all the family silver in her mad cap privatisation program that have lumbered us with profiteering utilities companies and some of the worst and most expensive public transport in western Europe.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Given that most polls are commissioned by one or other interest group it could be difficult to satisfy your criteria - but then that is what you want!! '"

Is it? Your psychic powers must be amazing to know what I want. All I asked is for ajw to produce some evidence from an independent source with a decent sample and fair weighting. Otherwise polls are unrepresentative.

For instance The Guardian did a poll asking if readers "do you admire Margaret Thatcher as PM?"
Funnily enough the poll came out
Yep, I'd seen that. The weighting seems ok but there is a larger proportion of people living in the south that were polled compared to relative populations and for some reason Wales & NI is unrepresented entirely.
Though I'd agree it's a far far better poll than the dross that was brought up by ajw as "evidence". Though again we get into the issue of the question. You can think someone is capable whilst disagreeing with what they do.

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Quote: Him "Is it? Your psychic powers must be amazing to know what I want. All I asked is for ajw to produce some evidence from an independent source with a decent sample and fair weighting. Otherwise polls are unrepresentative.

For instance The Guardian did a poll asking if readers "do you admire Margaret Thatcher as PM?"
Funnily enough the poll came out

You have found a way to question every poll that ajw has put forward, you are also questioning the poll I put forward because it doesn't give you the answer that you want.

You don't have to be a psychic to see where you are coming from - Stevie Wonder can see that.

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Quote: dr_feelgood "I have a bottle of champagne ready for when she pops her clogs which I will drink to the tune of "Ding dong the witch is dead" from "Wizard of Oz". I will the be a true champagne socialist
Just think how bad things would have been if Callaghan and Healey had stayed in power - IMF would have been deciding how we spent our money and Arthur would have continued to bring the country to a standstill along with his other pseudo lefty mates at the TUC.

Thatcher simply redressed the balance of power between the elected body and a bunch of union guys who thought they ran the country. In something as fundamental as that you will have casualties Arthur had it coming the fact he was strategical out thought says much about Thatcher and Arthur.

As for selling off public assets - anyone who thinks public transport - especially the trains offer a worse service now than it did then didn't use it then and doesn't use it now. BT is much more efficient organisation now than it ever was under public ownership etc.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "You have found a way to question every poll that ajw has put forward, you are also questioning the poll I put forward because it doesn't give you the answer that you want.

You don't have to be a psychic to see where you are coming from - Stevie Wonder can see that.'"


Exactly. You can guarantee too that if Thatcher was at the bottom of these polls, the anti's would be lapping it up.

Just because they don't like her they want to believe everyone in the country doesn't too.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "
Thatcher simply redressed the balance of power between the elected body and a bunch of union guys who thought they ran the country. In something as fundamental as that you will have casualties
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True, similar to the institutuion of slavery in 1860's USA. Wasn't going to go down without a fight, just like the unions.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "You have found a way to question every poll that ajw has put forward, you are also questioning the poll I put forward because it doesn't give you the answer that you want.

You don't have to be a psychic to see where you are coming from - Stevie Wonder can see that.'"

Oh come off it. 7 of those 8 polls he put are utterly ridiculous, anyone with half a brain can see that. As I said, the only one that has semi legitimacy is the Newsnight poll, but then Newsnight attracts certain types of viewers from certain types of backgrounds.
Which part of that do you disagree with?

The poll you linked to is, as I said, far better. But isn't actually asking the question ajw talked about. Can you see that? Or are you back in your real world again?

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As I mentioned earlier, the only poll that matters is the poll that her peers, fellow party members, and her cabinet took in November 1990, that was the point at which they chose to sack her from the job because they no longer agreed with her ideology, could see that she was obviously and intensely despised by the electorate, and feared for their own jobs at the next electorate choice.

Now when an extreme right wing politician is sacked by her own party members there can only be two reasons - one is that he/she is embracing a political stance that is too left wing for their tastes, or they are veering too far to the right and into dictatorship realms - like her very best ally Pinochet.

I think we all know why the Tory members of 1990 sacked her and I think we all know what the reality of any "popularity" claims were just by looking back at that time.

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Deregulation of banking; opening up of and encouraging cheap credit; destruction of industry and move to 'service' economy; bar on social housing to boost the housing market ...

Recognise these?

They're the foundations of the current crisis.

All the Maggieites either don't know, have forgotten or applaud these things.

And that is without mentioning the rise of MRSA (a direct consequence of privatisation) and old people dying on trolleys in hospital corridors.

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Quote: Mintball "Deregulation of banking; opening up of and encouraging cheap credit; destruction of industry and move to 'service' economy; bar on social housing to boost the housing market ...

Recognise these?

They're the foundations of the current crisis.

All the Maggieites either don't know, have forgotten or applaud these things.

And that is without mentioning the rise of MRSA (a direct consequence of privatisation) and old people dying on trolleys in hospital corridors.'"

No you're not getting it. 1 historian said Thatcher was good at implementing her policies, so she must have been awesome. That's how it works here in the real world.

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Quote: Him "No you're not getting it. 1 historian said Thatcher was good at implementing her policies, so she must have been awesome. That's how it works here in the real world.'"


Oh, she was very good at implementing her policies.

So was Adolf.

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 Sat 3rd May 2025
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 Fri 16th May 2025
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20:00
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Hull FC
20:00
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 Sat 17th May 2025
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15:00
Hull KR
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 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
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Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
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Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
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14:30
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v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
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Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
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Salford
 Thu 29th May 2025
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 Fri 30th May 2025
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Hull KR
v
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20:00
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v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
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Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
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Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
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v
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Thu 13th Feb
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Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
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15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
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17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
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Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
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Wakefield-Hull KR
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Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
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14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
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Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
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Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
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Wigan-Huddersfield
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This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
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