I've never asked for a pay rise in my life, mind you I was self employed for 28 years of it, but still, since being an employee again I haven't asked for nor been given a pay rise, nor will I ask for one as I work on the principle that my employer will pay me what they think I'm worth.

Which might explain why I haven't had a pay rise since 2008 and the year before that I had a pay decrease (a big one).

Still, I know where I stand...

Thought this article from Sunday's Mail was good and best I've seen in the Press: www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... ilure.html

Thought this article from Sunday's Mail was good and best I've seen in the Press: www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... ilure.html

That's right, fancy thinking that a poor innocent footy fan could be violent. Ridiculous !

Don’t worry everyone !

I see George Galloway; the Champion of the loony left has come to the rescue, complete with a Botox job and a hefty old tan. Didn’t you just love him when he pretended to be a cat on Big Brother !

He's going to call for parliament to be convened during Maggie’s funeral. Of course he's the guy that called Saddam, indefatigable and kissed his ass and I see his mate Bob Crow has just called for another strike, déjà vu of the 70’s.

Given that the prat Blair, he of your lot who took us into two unnecessary wars, broke our economy and let millions of people into the Uk to nick your jobs. I wonder will we have a huge forum post to dance at his funeral given he directly stuck it to you lot.

dual post

You really are extraordinarily dim aren't you?

Much as I think Gallloway is nothing more than a self serving prat, he has a point here. Thatcher wasn't a touch on Churchill.

Even she didn't turn the troops out against miners.



Finally stopped drinking, starting again Wednesday.

Wilson won four elections.

Atlee oversaw the introduction of the greatest social changes in Britain for over a century.

Neither of them were treated like royalty when they died, despite both dying in periods when their party were in power. So what's different here?

one can only hope.

Maybe Wilson closed too many pits?

Nail on the head. More mining jobs went during Wilson's premiership than Thatcher's. Yet no one moans about him.

Pits have always closed, or scaled down, when the coal became too expensive to mine. My father and grandfather worked at a number of pits and moved about a fair bit. But they could usually find work somewhere. The problem with the 80's closure problem was that it was obvious that there wouldnt be jobs to be found elsewhere.

All of this is true ^^^

The area that I lived in during the 80s strike had been a mining area for 100 years or more, and before the nationalisation of the industry all of them were privately owned pits, often under-invested in order to scratch a living for the owners (anyone been to Lotherton Hall in Leeds to see how the owners scratched a living?).

The village I lived in had its pit closed in the early 60s and all around the area were former pit workings - by the 80s all of the mines had been amalgamated into one large one in Blyth and employees either left the industry (some gratefully, I never heard a retired pitman speak fondly of the job) or moved five miles up the road to the bigger pit.

Thats simply how it was, the closure program of the Thatcher era was unprecedented in its plan and swiftness and it was obvious that there would be nothing to replace the employment that it offered to those communities afterwards, which proved to be true, it would be eight years or more before EU money started to be invested into infrastructure and low or free rates offered to tempt businesses back into south yorkshire and northumberland.

Note the reference to EU money too...

He was a Labour PM. Beyond reproach. The left has never allowed facts to get in the way of their prejudice.

Theres only one person here waving a scarf in football supporter style whilst trying to avoid any facts and, erm...

its you

as per usual.