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| Quote: headhunter "Not a bad result considering Miliband was favourite to win the election and Corbyn was supposedly looking at a Tory landslide.
BTW look at this video which shows that Corbyn's manifesto was not just empty promises trying to win votes but stuff he has been talking about for over 30 years:
Talking about stuff is easy , actually implementing it is something entirely different , many of his idea's I agree with in principle , but I know they would never work in the real world , unfortunately Mr Corbyn doesn't live in the real world
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Is that a good thing for Labour - he lost by 60 seats, most leaders would have done the honourable thing? How Labour see this as some kind of victory defies belief. That is only eclipsed by Queen Nicola no wonder they want to be bedfellows.
And the Tories and the DUP wanting to be bedfellows is what exactly? The DUP leader like Sturgeon does not sit in the House of Commons. We were told in 2015 if we voted Labour we'd be being dictated to by the unelected (to parliament) leader of the SNP. Tories to accept the same from the leader of the DUP? Hypocrites or what?
You also ignore the context within this election was fought.
if this were an election fought in say 2003 when there was no Brexit, no SNP having wiped Labour out in Scotland the election before and no cabal of Labour MP's openly hostile to the leader for two years before the election you might have a point.
Context here is everything and to try and say "Yeah, but Labour still lost" is failing to acknowledge that.
The SNP have been told to give Indyref2 a rest. It's no longer necessary to vote SNP if you want a left of centre MP in Scotland. Sure the Tories did better than Labour but both parties won seats off the SNP. So this result gives Labour a credibility in Scotland it lost. Voters who voted Tory for unionist reasons only now know they can vote Labour instead. So do SNP voters.
It's up to Labour to show a united front now and quit the bickering that was on show before the election was called. Corbyn has suddenly become electable but more importantly credible. The Tories thought they could ignore him and his policies. How will they appeal to the young voters who voted against then because of being shafted with tuitions fees for example?
This result is great for Labour because it's blown things wide open but left the Tories having to deal with Brexit (which will annoy one section of their party immensely) and, in case you missed it, worsening economic conditions.
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| Quote: GUBRATS "Talking about stuff is easy , actually implementing it is something entirely different , many of his idea's I agree with in principle , but I know they would never work in the real world , unfortunately Mr Corbyn doesn't live in the real world'"
As I've said before, most of the policies listed in the Labour manifesto are already implemented throughout the world, so they can, and do work in the real world.
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| Quote: Biff Tannen "Who takes over though?... Boris, Hammond, Gove, Rudd etc.. really awful alternatives.
Its really looking checkmate for the conservatives right now.'"
Unfortunately, it's a long way from check mate for them.
There will be a few contenders, possible comeback for Gove or Fox and if all else fails they could make the country look even more foolish and go for, the Tory clown, Boris.
You can just imaging Boris and Trump in the same room.
Trump would threaten to nuke someone and Boris would laugh and make a joke out of it.
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| Michael Gove back as environment secretary... He's already knackered the Education system, the environment should be a doddle, as the hard work is already done.
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| Quote: GUBRATS "Talking about stuff is easy , actually implementing it is something entirely different , many of his idea's I agree with in principle , but I know they would never work in the real world , unfortunately Mr Corbyn doesn't live in the real world'" It was a response to the guy saying that Corbyn could just say whatever he wanted and make up a bunch of appealing policies because he knew he would never have to implement them. When actually his manifesto was stuff that he's been talking about for 30 years.
But like the other poster said, most of his policies are standard in many other countries. I saw some Swedish guy living in the UK who said he was shocked by the way Corbyn was viewed as radical here because he would just be a regular candidate in Sweden and everything he is proposing is taken for granted there.
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| Quote: PCollinson1990 "he's a pacifist terrorism apologist'" lol you didn't think this through did you?
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| Quote: headhunter "lol you didn't think this through did you?'"
Statement of documented fact, but that never bothered Corbynites.
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| Quote: headhunter "It was a response to the guy saying that Corbyn could just say whatever he wanted and make up a bunch of appealing policies because he knew he would never have to implement them. When actually his manifesto was stuff that he's been talking about for 30 years.
But like the other poster said, most of his policies are standard in many other countries. I saw some Swedish guy living in the UK who said he was shocked by the way Corbyn was viewed as radical here because he would just be a regular candidate in Sweden and everything he is proposing is taken for granted there.'"
Nobody said he didn't agree with the stuff or that he hasn't been saying it for years, but he could just throw it all in in one go regardless of it not all adding up. And the 2nd point has already been answered, it's not that any of his ideas are radical or bad on their own, it's when you add them all up and try to do them at the same time along with Brexit and trying to hit the rich and businesses, the latter of which will vary in difficulty depending on which country you're in. To say "oh stuff works in other countries" makes politics sound naively easy.
Also if you want to talk about stuff he's been saying for years lets not forget the questionable/bad stuff too that his supporters try to dismiss as people just trying to slander him.
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| Quote: PCollinson1990 "Statement of documented fact, but that never bothered Corbynites.
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Pacifist and terrorist dont go together, please have a look in the dictionary.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Pacifist and terrorist dont go together, please have a look in the dictionary.'"
Terrorist apologist, try READING.
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| Quote: headhunter "It was a response to the guy saying that Corbyn could just say whatever he wanted and make up a bunch of appealing policies because he knew he would never have to implement them. When actually his manifesto was stuff that he's been talking about for 30 years.
But like the other poster said, most of his policies are standard in many other countries. I saw some Swedish guy living in the UK who said he was shocked by the way Corbyn was viewed as radical here because he would just be a regular candidate in Sweden and everything he is proposing is taken for granted there.'"
In small economies like those in Scandinavia that kind of policy is more easily adopted - their isn't a country in Europe the size of the UK economy that has that level of government intervention.
Dennis Skinner has been spouting the same rhetoric as Corbyn for as long as Corbyn does that make those policies more/less valid?
What this needs is wealth generators - and what Labour wanted to do is tax the wealth generators into oblivion - it is a policy bordering on Lunacy!!
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "What this needs is wealth generators - and what Labour wanted to do is tax the wealth generators into oblivion - it is a policy bordering on Lunacy!!'"
He wants to tax corporations at rates that would still be lower than 2010 - and at a rate that would still be the lowest in the G7; how many times do I have to repeat this before you actually read and understand it?
With regard to personal taxation - almost half the electorate voted for him; I don't believe for a minute that every single one of them was a member of the undeserving poor. There are actually people who can see the bigger picture and are prepared to make personal sacrifices for the greater good - the idiots.
What is clear is that there is appetite for change - and as long as the Maybot maintains her position of squatting in no 10 and rotating the same bunch of idiots who helped create this mess, propped up by a soupcon of regressive Orangemen, change is what we will get.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "In small economies like those in Scandinavia that kind of policy is more easily adopted - their isn't a country in Europe the size of the UK economy that has that level of government intervention.
Dennis Skinner has been spouting the same rhetoric as Corbyn for as long as Corbyn does that make those policies more/less valid?
What this needs is wealth generators - and what Labour wanted to do is tax the wealth generators into oblivion - it is a policy bordering on Lunacy!!'"
So what you are saying is if you give the wealthy more money, they may throw some crumbs down to the working classes? I'd rather any government force them to pay their way then leave it up to the wealthy to do whats right for the people of this country
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| Quote: LifeLongHKRFan "So what you are saying is if you give the wealthy more money, they may throw some crumbs down to the working classes? I'd rather any government force them to pay their way then leave it up to the wealthy to do whats right for the people of this country'"
That's not what he his saying, it's your interpretation of that. Meanwhile unpalatable as it seems ,Labour failed to win enough seats to form a government. That's democracy. Just remember that labour fought an effective campaign against a shockingly poor Tory one. Highly unlikely that situation will be allowed again.
Whilst this side show of an election was unfolding ,the French and Germans reiterated the hard stance they will undertake in the brexit negotiations. We are in for some extremely turbulent times.
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