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The Communist Cap - dragging down success and aspiration to the levels of those who cba.: |
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| Quote: Kosh "Do neither of you pay any attention to the unemployment figures? Or do you just not understand what they mean?
While some highly skilled workers in a handful of sectors might be able to pick and choose employers, or waltz out of one company and straight into the same job at another, the situation is very different for the vast majority of ordinary workers. If they don't like the job they're in they have two options - put up with it or join the 'shirkers' on the dole. That's where the Unions come in.
The other thing you might consider is that things change over time. You might be perfectly happy with wages and conditions when you joing, only to find at some point down the line that they change for the worse.
Honestly, given the number of times those on the right exhort people to 'live in the real world' you'd expect more of them to have at least some passing familiarity with it themselves.'"
I did post a reply to this but it has mysteriously disappeared........
Typical Lefities. Talk a good story but when they can't answer the argument they resort to the policies of Stalin...........
Laughable.
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Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "I did post a reply to this but it has mysteriously disappeared........
Typical Lefities. Talk a good story but when they can't answer the argument they resort to the policies of Stalin...........
Laughable.'"
"Policies of Stalin"?
You're going beyond parody now
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| Quote: cod'ead ""Policies of Stalin"?
You're going beyond parody now'"
Good old right-wing paranoia, alive and well.
Shall we seal the borders?
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| Quote: littlerich "There's some really nasty people on this thread. Most of them calling Thatcher evil.
Hypocrites.'"
Yep, I feel sorry for them really. Who will they direct their bitterness and bile at now ? Who are they going to blame for their own inadequacies and inability to achieve in life ?
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2051.jpg The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: samwire "i'm confused. thatcher created a load of wage slaves? how did these people pay for stuff before they became slaves? where did they live? how did they live?
or are we just in "waaahhhh, she's a woman and she's a tory" territory. again.'"
People paid for "stuff" from money they had saved or sometimes through HP. The only real debt a household may have was a mortgage for those who decided to buy rather than rent. But at that time rents accounted for only around 20% of household income, so really were affordable.
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2051.jpg The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: Derwent "Yep, I feel sorry for them really. Who will they direct their bitterness and bile at now ? Who are they going to blame for their own inadequacies and inability to achieve in life ?'"
Don't worry, so long as there are tories left, we won't be lacking any suitable targets
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| Quote: cod'ead "Don't worry, so long as there are tories left, we won't be lacking any suitable targets'"
Then you'll always be fighting a war you can't win. We live in an aspirational consumer society, any party which wants to govern these days has to be 'conservative' to an extent. Idealism is fine but practical reality will always win in the end. Even if the Tories were ousted tomorrow their replacements would still need to face the realities of the economy and continue with cuts and public expenditure reforms. The world changes, for better or worse, sometimes you just have to accept it and adapt accordingly.
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TotalRl.com - Home of Stupid Questions, Friday Pix and of course Millward is a Gurner.: |
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| Quote: cod'ead "People paid for "stuff" from money they had saved or sometimes through HP. The only real debt a household may have was a mortgage for those who decided to buy rather than rent. But at that time rents accounted for only around 20% of household income, so really were affordable.'"
lets have some actual figures, what was the rent compared to the mortgage?
in 1996ish i was paying around £220 per month on a mortgage with interest rates at 7% which was around 25% of my income. but i didn't get 33%-50% discount on the purchase.
so, you're a wage slave if you have a mortgage to pay but not a wage slave if you have rent to pay.
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| Quote: samwire "so, you're a wage slave if you have a mortgage to pay but not a wage slave if you have rent to pay.'"
If you need to work to pay either, you're pretty much a wage slave. After all no landlord has ever evicted a tenant for not paying rent, have they?
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2051.jpg The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: Chris28 "If you need to work to pay either, you're pretty much a wage slave. After all no landlord has ever evicted a tenant for not paying rent, have they?'"
The difference being; until relatively recently rents, especially council house rents, were considerably lower than mortgage repayments. Councils, as landlords, were also more sympathetic to their tenants than private landlords. My early mortgage repayments were considerably more than friends who lived in council houses paid in rent. To achieve the mortgage we not only had to show we could afford the 20% deposit and the repayments, we also had to show two years of regular savings with the building society. A condition that few first-time buyers could meet today.
But housing cost (rent or mortgage)is only one aspect of wage slavery. Since the 1980s there has been a massive increase in non-mortgage personal debt. Debts that are used to buy cars and other consumer goods. When I applied for a bank loan in 1982 to buy a new (to me) car, I had to stump up 20% deposit in cash before the bank would entertain me. Now if a deposit is required, the lender will accept payment by credit card for both deposit and repayments. It's barmy.
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'when my life is over, the thing which will have given me greatest pride is that I was first to plunge into the sea, swimming freely underwater without any connection to the terrestrial world'
Yves Le Prieur, the real inventor of the aqualung: |
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| Did anyone see The Big Question today. One was 'is it ok to celebrate someones death' and Nadine Dorries had said that the protesters should think of Thatchers kids and how they are feeling, one of the guests was Benjamin Zephaniah and he said 'why, Carol Thatcher thinks people like me are gollis and her son is an arms dealer'. The conversation after that was something like
Dorries: 'I thought better of you Benjamin'
BZ: 'why, are you saying she never said it'
ND: 'I thought you were better than that'
BZ: 'are you saying she never said it'
ND: 'I just thought better of you'
BZ: 'did she say it, did she say it'
ND: 'well, yes she did'
I magine if you or I said it, we would (quite rightly) be prosecuted.
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| Quote: rover49 "I magine if you or I said it, we would (quite rightly) be prosecuted.'"
Don't talk soft. It was a stupid comment made off hand to some colleagues. She got sacked over it. The notion that the police should be investigating that and pursuing a prosecution is ridiculous.
If she's said it directly to a person to cause offence and the person complained then she would be prosecuted, but in those circumstances no one would be. She was punished far worse than virtually anyone else would have been. If anyone else had said it the other people would think she was a tvvat and maybe distance themselves from her, but that's it.
And it's a remarkably trivial offence to deserve the celebration of her mother's death
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'when my life is over, the thing which will have given me greatest pride is that I was first to plunge into the sea, swimming freely underwater without any connection to the terrestrial world'
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| Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "Don't talk soft. It was a stupid comment made off hand to some colleagues. She got sacked over it. The notion that the police should be investigating that and pursuing a prosecution is ridiculous.
If she's said it directly to a person to cause offence and the person complained then she would be prosecuted, but in those circumstances no one would be. She was punished far worse than virtually anyone else would have been. If anyone else had said it the other people would think she was a tvvat and maybe distance themselves from her, but that's it.
And it's a remarkably trivial offence to deserve the celebration of her mother's death'"
I suppose the level of triviality is dependent on the skin your wearing.
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| rlThatcher is dead but who reinvented her life?rl
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| Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "And it's a remarkably trivial offence to deserve the celebration of her mother's death'"
It may be to you but to those who experienced suffering at the hands of her policies or who lost loved ones as a result it's not.
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