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With both of the main parties embarking on a spend, spend, spend agenda, why on earth is Boris so desperate to offer tax cut's of any type.
Surely, those funds would be put to better use elsewhere ?

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Quote: wrencat1873 "With both of the main parties embarking on a spend, spend, spend agenda, why on earth is Boris so desperate to offer tax cut's of any type.
Surely, those funds would be put to better use elsewhere ?'"


He has said he will increase personal allowance on NI - suppose Tories look boring compared to Labour who seem to be giving everything away. The polls don't seem to be shifting so this is just a consolidation excercise

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Quote: Sal Paradise "He has said he will increase personal allowance on NI - suppose Tories look boring compared to Labour who seem to be giving everything away. The polls don't seem to be shifting so this is just a consolidation excercise'"


Fundamentally, giving tax cuts, whilst increasing borrowing and spending, just looks daft and wrong.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Fundamentally, giving tax cuts, whilst increasing borrowing and spending, just looks daft and wrong.'"


I cannot disagree but as long as increased borrowing is to support capital projects then if the economy can support increased spending on the NHS, Schools etc whilst supporting some tax incentives for the lower paid I'm all for that.

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Johnson has now bottled it for interviews on ITV and BBC.

If he can't stand up for himself in a tv interview how is he going to stand up for our country in trade negotiations?
Probable answer is that he isn't because he can't.

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Quote: Father Ted "Johnson has now bottled it for interviews on ITV and BBC.

If he can't stand up for himself in a tv interview how is he going to stand up for our country in trade negotiations?
Probable answer is that he isn't because he can't.'"


Indeed, hence the thread title.
Andrew Neil has tried to provoke him but, his backside dropped out a couple of weeks ago so, dont hold your breath

The other world leaders must be rubbing their hands at the prospect and he still thinks that he will negotiate a free trade deal AND in record time icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Andrew Neil has tried to provoke him but'"


Not according to his buffoon followers in the right wing rags, who believe Andrew Neil is bullying him. You couldn't make this stuff up.

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Quote: Father Ted "Johnson has now bottled it for interviews on ITV and BBC.

If he can't stand up for himself in a tv interview how is he going to stand up for our country in trade negotiations?
Probable answer is that he isn't because he can't.'"


The Tories seem to be showing a significant lead in the polls - so the election is theirs to lose. Why would you do anything to disrupt that - Blair and Cameron would be doing the same. The less he is seen the less damage can be done.

We have seen what exposure of Corbyn, Swinson and Queen Nicola have done for their popularity - it would be madness to follow suit.

I see lemon-faced Long Bailey was once again taken to the cleaners on Today this morning over the "alleged" £6,700 savings per family - it was shown up for what it is - complete b0ll0cks - she couldn't even say approximately how many families would see the whole benefit. Why because its pure fantasy and virtually nobody we see the whole benefit.

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He had better hope that what happened to May who was actually in a stronger position but avoided debate does not happen to him. I think we can finally put to bed the theory he is a great debater and negotiator because he isn’t. When it comes to telling lies he is one of the best. He adopts the Trump teaching that regardless of what is the truth keep repeating the lies until it becomes the truth to some.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "He had better hope that what happened to May who was actually in a stronger position but avoided debate does not happen to him. I think we can finally put to bed the theory he is a great debater and negotiator because he isn’t. When it comes to telling lies he is one of the best. He adopts the Trump teaching that regardless of what is the truth keep repeating the lies until it becomes the truth to some.'"


I agree he is not great debater he mumbles and doesn't appear as confident as I thought he would be. They are all as bad as each other when it comes to telling lies - as soon as they open their mouth they are lying

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I agree he is not great debater he mumbles and doesn't appear as confident as I thought he would be. They are all as bad as each other when it comes to telling lies - as soon as they open their mouth they are lying'"


I think, in politics generally, there has been a shift from the half-truth, misleading statement and failure to keep one’s word, to shameless bare-faced lying. Presumably because it is effective.

However, I think Johnson is different; he is utterly wedded to falsehood. He prefers things this way. An issue with a lot of politicians has been that you can’t trust what they say to be true. Counter-intuitively, you can kind of trust Johnson because EVERYTHING he says is rubbish, consistently and without any important exception that I can think of. You’d think the odd bit of truthfulness might slip through accidentally from time to time, or align with his own frightening narcissistic self-interest - but no, it never does.

I think the likes of Trump and Johnson have created a new paradigm by being open about lying, and some people seem to see someone being honest and unashamed about their dishonesty as progress. In fairness, I think Trump is genuinely delusional as well, which adds another layer.

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Quote: King Street Cat "Not according to his buffoon followers in the right wing rags, who believe Andrew Neil is bullying him. You couldn't make this stuff up.'"


Andrew Neil tries to bully everyone but, the issue here is that Johnson is clearly running scared, which really isn't a great trait for any leader and the world is watching.
For all his ambition and well spoken bluster, Boris has been found out - I still dont get how ANY traditional Labour supporter can vote for him.
Some people really need to give their head a shake.
Also, I dont think that Labour have played a great hand in the election campaign.
Of course it's been mentioned but, the 10+ years of austerity cuts, hitting those with the very least, the hardest, is and always was the Tories achilleas heal and this above all else should have been exploited.
The Tories tried to dent Labour's armour with promises of spending on education and health but, they have been let off the hook for the last 10 years.
Education and child poverty have been shocking (and continue to be so) but, it does seem that some have forgiven them way too quickly.

It should be an interesting head to head this evening although, I hope that everyone has their Boris bingo cards ready because this guy has very little actual substance and will quickly revert to soundbites.

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The problem is that people are obsessed by Brexit at the expense of everything else. They may get Brexit but they will also get further austerity made worse by Brexit. I expect if when we find out that the report today is accurate he will blame the E.U.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "The less he is seen the less damage can be done.'"


Which completely gives the game away that he's nothing but a fraud, a liar and a charlatan. Even his own party and advisors know it.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "
I see lemon-faced Long Bailey was once again taken to the cleaners on Today this morning over the "alleged" £6,700 savings per family - it was shown up for what it is - complete b0ll0cks - she couldn't even say approximately how many families would see the whole benefit. Why because its pure fantasy and virtually nobody we see the whole benefit.'"

I listened to that and thought to myself, "the interviewer is pretending they don't understand how averages work in an attempt to overtly demonstrate their impartiality".

It was a bonkers waste of time when they could have been asking about the substance of the Labour party's policy proposals.

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 Fri 13th Jun 2025
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19:00
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Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
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Castleford
20:00
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 Sat 14th Jun 2025
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17:30
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 Sun 15th Jun 2025
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       League One 2025-R12
15:00
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Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
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Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
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Cornwall
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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