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Quote: DHM "Much like Alex Salmond and the SNP.

I would wager hardly anyone who voted UKIP could even guess at any of their policies beyond "out of Europe".

I do think there is a genuine question over the nature of the European Union and our level of involvement in it. But the question can't be allowed to be simply about economic migrants.'"

The question is not wholly about economic migrants. In fact, its not really about that at all. Farage's opponents use that because they can try the "racist" slur. Farage has cleverly played up to it as it IS a major concern to many voters (as it has been for quite a number of years but no party has dealt with those concerns).

As I have said on here in many contexts, the "PC" brigade (for want of a better expression) who like to think they are liberal except when it comes to people expressing different opinions to them are the root cause of UKIP's popularity. Freedom of speech has to be a two way thing otherwise it is not a freedom at all.

I have seen nothing to suggest Farage is any more racist (indeed I would suggest less) than many in the Tory party and MILLIONS of Labour voters.

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Quote: DaveO "I think one reason they have done relatively well on the local elections (except in London where they have not) is because the council elections and euro elections were on the same day. If you are going to vote UKIP for reasons of immigration or EU membership voting for a different party for the council elections would be a bit of a strange thing to contemplate for

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I didn't vote as I was out last night and got up a bit late in the morning. If I had I would have voted UKIP in the Euros as they are the only party who are likely to try to get us out or pressurise other parties into contemplating it. The EU is, IMO, a major threat to our democracy and "way of life."

I would have voted for another Green in the Council elections.

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Quote: Dally "I didn't vote as I was out last night ..................'"


That's your political viewpoints ignored immediately. You didn't contribute to the democratic system. See your comment below and the question.

Quote: Dally "The EU is, IMO, a major threat to our democracy and "way of life."'"


Ooooh a goody! Please explain "Our Democracy" and also "way of life".

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Quote: Dally "The EU is, IMO, a major threat to our democracy and "way of life."

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IMO people who don't vote but whinge like hell are more of a threat to democracy.

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Quote: Dally "

UKIP, despite your biased views, do represent the views on many, particularly, older people. To say they don't or to dismiss those members of the electorate is disgraceful and dangerous and, of course, part of the reason they are proving popular.'"


So you would be happy to see the NHS completely dismantled and your family charged full-whack for your daughter's care? That is one of the major foundations of UPRIK's manifesto. They are a party of the far-right and if the idiots who vote for them are not also "fascists who shop at M&S and Waitrose", then they really are too stupid to be allowed the vote.

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Quote: cod'ead "those too stupid to ever be allowed a vote in the first place'"


Not a fan of democracy then?

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Quote: cod'ead "So you would be happy to see the NHS completely dismantled and your family charged full-whack for your daughter's care? That is one of the major foundations of UPRIK's manifesto. They are a party of the far-right and if the idiots who vote for them are not also "fascists who shop at M&S and Waitrose", then they really are too stupid to be allowed the vote.'"


As I said, the rational thing to do if you are anti-EU is to vote UKIP in the Euros and otherwise in the Council elections. That's why I think UKIP will do better in the Euros.

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Quote: wigan_rlfc "Not a fan of democracy then?'"


Not a fan of idiots

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I've found it quite amusing that the voters for the 3 "main" parties who've promised to screw the poor, sick and disabled seem to think they're somehow morally superior than someone who votes UKIP.

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Quote: BobbyD "I've found it quite amusing that the voters for the 3 "main" parties who've promised to screw the poor, sick and disabled seem to think they're somehow morally superior than someone who votes UKIP.'"


What makes you think anyone voted for the three (or 4 anywhere outside of England) main parties?

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Quote: Big Graeme "What makes you think anyone voted for the three (or 4 anywhere outside of England) main parties?'"


Ummm, the actual, y'know, election results. They've been in the press quite a bit recently.

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Quote: DHM "I would wager hardly anyone who voted UKIP could even guess at any of their policies beyond "out of Europe".'"


Indeed. I notice that the people of Hull gave a seat to a UKIP Councillor.

These are people in a city (one with its fair share of economic problems) that is about to see thousands of jobs created through off-shore wind farms, voting for a party that opposes green energy.

That's democracy at work that is.

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So what happens when the UKIP councillor in Hull stands up at the next meeting and demands that the UK withdraw from the EU and but up barriers to immigration with immediate effect and is reminded that actually they were debating the issue of the state of the bus shelters on the Bransholme estate?

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Quote: JerryChicken "So what happens when the UKIP councillor in Hull stands up at the next meeting and demands that the UK withdraw from the EU and but up barriers to immigration with immediate effect and is reminded that actually they were debating the issue of the state of the bus shelters on the Bransholme estate?'"


I'd guess the bus shelters have been a mess for years? In which case they may as we'll talk about something that could be changed.

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Quote: Dally "I'd guess the bus shelters have been a mess for years? In which case they may as we'll talk about something that could be changed.'"


you really are an ignorant troll, you can't even spell.

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