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Can't beat cuddly women that is for sure - at least they are not completely consumed by the reflection they get when looking in the mirror

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what has this got to do with rugby league. Please do not post what everyone already knows, it is in the daily newspapers, and is of no interest to anyone on here. By the way camilla watched Strictly come dancing in a private viewing and gave the contestants all 9.

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Quote: Scabbycat "what has this got to do with rugby league...'"


This is [iThe Sin Bin[/i. It is an off-topic forum. It is, therefore, not for threads about Rugby League. You'll find all the RL forums listed rlhererl, on the general index.

Quote: Scabbycat "... Please do not post what everyone already knows, it is in the daily newspapers, and is of no interest to anyone on here. By the way camilla watched Strictly come dancing in a private viewing and gave the contestants all 9.'"


One wonders why you wasted such time and effort in posting, then?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Can't beat cuddly women that is for sure - at least they are not completely consumed by the reflection they get when looking in the mirror'"


I certainly agree with you. I like women who have meat on them and not women that look ill.

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Another 3 or 4 episodes worth of lazy jokes for Mock The Week and it's ilk.

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Must have done the survey in Wigan or Hull.

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Quote: Dead Man Walking "I certainly agree with you. I like women who have meat on them and not women that look ill.'"


It is, of course, perfectly possible for a woman to not be 'cuddly' [iand[/i to not be so skinny that they look ill.

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Quote: Rock God X "It is, of course, perfectly possible for a woman to not be 'cuddly' [iand[/i to not be so skinny that they look ill.'"


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Some right fatness around, poor diets and bad habits......its about self discipline. we ALL know whats good and bad for us its making sure its the right balance. and some good phiz too.....

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Quote: liedetector "Some right fatness around, poor diets and bad habits......its about self discipline. we ALL know whats good and bad for us its making sure its the right balance. and some good phiz too.....'"


No. It's not that simple.

Many people do not, for instance, understand that calories in v calories out is not the full story; that cutting fat and 'filling up' with complex carbs – as per the diet advice, certainly some years ago – is actually one thing that will make you put on weight. It is no coincidence that distance runners 'carbo load' before a long race. It's also no coincidence that the two countries that use cereals to 'carbo load' at breakfast – the UK and US – are also countries with some of the biggest obesity problems.

Because of the same dismal advice, many people do not know that they need fat for good health – and also that saturated fat will sate far quicker than complex carbs. They have been fed a lie that natural fats – lard, dripping and butter, for instance – are 'bad', while processed poisons like marg and spray-on fats are 'good' (and more expensive, thus producing higher profits).

Our parents and grandparents did not have an obesity epidemic from eating bread and dripping. And the French Paradox, as it known, shows not only that a diet high in natural saturated fats does not cause an obesity epidemic, it also shows that it does not cause record levels of heart disease and early death. But then again, that myth was only based on the lies of Ancel Keyes.

Many people don't realise that not taking proper time to eat – and not in front of a computer or the telly – doesn't help either.

Processed and junk food doesn't help – I read somewhere recently that some of these things are high in MSG (far higher levels than in soy sauce) and that at these sort of levels, MSG effectively switches off the body's ability to feel sated.

So no: we don't "ALL" know what the solutions are.

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Quote: Mintball "No. It's not that simple.

Many people do not, for instance, understand that calories in v calories out is not the full story; that cutting fat and 'filling up' with complex carbs – as per the diet advice, certainly some years ago – is actually one thing that will make you put on weight. It is no coincidence that distance runners 'carbo load' before a long race. It's also no coincidence that the two countries that use cereals to 'carbo load' at breakfast – the UK and US – are also countries with some of the biggest obesity problems.

Because of the same dismal advice, many people do not know that they need fat for good health – and also that saturated fat will sate far quicker than complex carbs. They have been fed a lie that natural fats – lard, dripping and butter, for instance – are 'bad', while processed poisons like marg and spray-on fats are 'good' (and more expensive, thus producing higher profits).

Our parents and grandparents did not have an obesity epidemic from eating bread and dripping. And the French Paradox, as it known, shows not only that a diet high in natural saturated fats does not cause an obesity epidemic, it also shows that it does not cause record levels of heart disease and early death. But then again, that myth was only based on the lies of Ancel Keyes.

Many people don't realise that not taking proper time to eat – and not in front of a computer or the telly – doesn't help either.

Processed and junk food doesn't help – I read somewhere recently that some of these things are high in MSG (far higher levels than in soy sauce) and that at these sort of levels, MSG effectively switches off the body's ability to feel sated.

So no

There are some relevant points in your post, Minty, but there's no escaping the fact that, for the overwhelming majority of people, a balanced diet and regular moderate exercise will result in them maintaining a healthy weight. That we are one of the fattest countries in Europe is not because we eat cereal for breakfast, but because, as a nation, we eat too much and exercise too little.

On the whole, people do know what they need to do to lose weight, it's actually doing it that's the problem. Of course there are exceptions (like in the cases that it actually is 'glandular'), but these are relatively few and far between.

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Its also become a recently established myth that all dietary malfunctions can be easily cured by simply joining a gym and turning up a couple of times a week to trot on a treadmill for ten minutes while watching TV, followed by a glass of J2O in the bar (check the calorific value).

Nor is dressing in lycra and strutting around the weights section for half an hour going to help your diet either.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Can't beat cuddly women that is for sure - at least they are not completely consumed by the reflection they get when looking in the mirror'"


What make's you think they own mirrors?

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Quote: Rock God X "There are some relevant points in your post, Minty, but there's no escaping the fact that, for the overwhelming majority of people, a balanced diet and regular moderate exercise will result in them maintaining a healthy weight. That we are one of the fattest countries in Europe is not because we eat cereal for breakfast, but because, as a nation, we eat too much and exercise too little.

On the whole, people do know what they need to do to lose weight, it's actually doing it that's the problem. Of course there are exceptions (like in the cases that it actually is 'glandular'), but these are relatively few and far between.'"


Don’t disagree with all of this: for instance, it astonishes me to see people who are apparently perfectly able, getting on a bus to go one stop. We all know about the school run and the culture of getting in the car to go around the corner for a paper.

This is an example of where the French (I’m going to stick with them as an example) walk more than we do, just on an ordinary, everyday basis. They are not a nation of gym bunnies – and indeed, I think that can be counterproductive as a weight loss method.

Not just on the basis of my own experience, but it’s widely documented that many people trying to lose weight experience weight loss – followed by regaining the same weight and then some more when they start to eat normally. That is not to say that they eat badly.

We also know that, at any one time, an estimated 80-odd percent of British women are on a diet. We know that gyms and health clubs and that sort of thing are thriving (y’see – obesity is actually good for the economy).

Research suggests that many, many British women suffer from sub-clinical eating disorders (SCDs).

Not simply on the basis of personal experience, but I’ve seen this in many other people (mostly women).

Standard diet advice – as mentioned earlier – is counterproductive. Yet it remains the mainstream understanding of what to eat. It is wrong.

One of the biggest root causes is the extent to which we have lost our national food and understanding of eating. We don’t know what to eat, when to eat, how to cook or even how to eat. And no, this isn’t just me saying this, but people like Raymond Blanc.

We do have more of a snacking culture than the French too.

But I’ll add in something else: we don’t enjoy food and, when we don’t we eat more.

Anecdote warning.

Last June, I was working at a conference where we didn’t really have time for proper lunch breaks, so food was brought into the office, where we ate while continuing to work.

One of the things that was served was a big bowl of chips – oven cooked from frozen. I’d get some on a plate and fork them into my mouth while writing. I’d eat quite a lot.

Fast forward a week or so. I was making chips at home (something I do about four times a year). I hand cut a couple of potatoes (one each) and then cooked them in lard.

Then I sat and relished eating them – flavour, textures etc. They were gorgeous. But even though I’d served less than I’d have had on my plate at that conference, I didn’t eat them all. Taking my time to enjoy, I allowed my body to recognise and convey to me that it was sated.

Back to France. Where obesity levels there are rising is where there is an attack on a the classic French lunch time – and where the ‘Western’ diet (ie the US-style of fast and junk food) is taking over. Although research has shown that even when the French have a Mackie D, they sit down and take longer to eat it than we do.

Another anecdote warning.

After 26 years of dieting – with ‘cut calories, cut fat, fill up with complex carbs and exercise’ as the mainstays of my very mainstream approach, all I had succeeded in doing was lose weight, pack it back on and then add some more for interest.

After a sort of Damascus moment, I stopped the endless cycle of dieting, ‘discovered’ food and started enjoying it. I even decided to start trying to cook.

Over the next five years, I didn’t put any more weight on. In the subsequent five years, I started losing weight. Very slowly, entirely sustainably, I’ve now dropped almost two clothes sizes.

I do my usual amount of walking, but don’t do the gym (or running or swimming) as I did in the past. I very, very rarely snack, but eat what I want – cooking it for myself and investing the time in that and in shopping for good quality food. As with the chips I mentioned, I use fats like lard and butter. I won’t touch marg. I won’t have those spray fats in the house any more, any more than I’ll buy diet foods.

And an element of all this has been rediscovering seasonality and proper northern European food and eating culture: I’ve just found that – by gum! – there really is nowt much better than a proper, homemade meat and potato pie, with lard shortcrust pastry (homemade).

It's also worth noting that, unless we have managed, in the space of a generation and a half to become far greedier and far lazier (and the gym bunny cult, that did not exist beforehand, suggests otherwise on that front) then the issues are, in general, more complex than I think they are in some cases where the simple explanation is true, just as it would have been true of those same types of cases in the past.

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Adults of a certain age do less and can eat more - hence on go a few pounds. The worrying thing about that report though was the part where they said our childhood obesity rate was 10 times higher than some European countries. Overweight kids usually are stuck like that for life - that's awful. My 8 year old son eats nearly as much as I do, but boy does he burn it off. I have a team of 16 8/9 year olds I coach mini rugby to and only one of those is what you would call overwieght - and he is getting fitter and fitter. That's how I remember it when I was a kid, there would be one "big" kid in every class, and usually he took after his parents.

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Newcastle
v
Workington
 Sat 3rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Leigh
v
Catalans
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Rochdale
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
17:15
Hull KR
v
Salford
19:30
St.Helens
v
Leeds
 Sun 4th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
13:00
Huddersfield
v
Hull FC
       League One 2025-R8
13:00
Cornwall
v
Midlands
15:00
Swinton
v
Crusaders
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Dewsbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:15
Wigan
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Wakefield
 Sun 11th May 2025
       League One 2025-R9
14:30
Crusaders
v
Newcastle
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Cornwall
15:00
Keighley
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Midlands
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Goole V
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
       League One 2025-R10
14:00
Midlands
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
       League One 2025-R10
15:00
Keighley
v
Crusaders
15:00
Rochdale
v
Newcastle
15:00
Swinton
v
Cornwall
15:00
Workington
v
Goole V
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R11
13:00
Cornwall
v
Goole V
14:00
Midlands
v
Swinton
14:30
Crusaders
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
       League One 2025-R11
15:00
Newcastle
v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Dewsbury
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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