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Quote: wotsupcas "Still nothing positive to say about Labour then?'"


Nope, there a bunch of numpties like the pillock you voted into No10.

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Quote: WIZEB "Nope, there a bunch of numpties like the pillock you voted into No10.'"

Can't argue with that.

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Quote: wotsupcas "Can't argue with that.'"


It is comedy gold mind, listening to DomCum informing us the PM is an even bigger tool than we could have ever thought possible. icon_lol.gif
You very nearly wouldn't be able to make it up.

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Quote: WIZEB "It is comedy gold mind, listening to DomCum informing us the PM is an even bigger tool than we could have ever thought possible.
Come on Wiz, are you saying you don’t think Boris is a 100% massive tool already? For me his toolishness reached critical mass a long time ago.

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I have changed the thread title !

What a FOOKING mess we are in.

I have 4 staff off atm .
1 with confirmed covid
1 quite ill and awaiting test results.
1 self isolating after being pinged
1 having to be at home as school class was sent home.


The team is in a worse position now then at the peak of the epidemic and I cannot see it getting better.

Between 50 and 60 % of people in hospital are double jabbed.

We have no idea how long immunity in the previously infected or jabbed lasts and any semblance of a coherent strategy has gone out of the window.


Current government policy is go to nightclubs and get infected then in September you cannot go to nightclubs until you have two jabs.

Talk about closing the barn door

What an almighty mess

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Quote: Durham Giant "I have changed the thread title !

Between 50 and 60 % of people in hospital are double jabbed.

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I think Vallance quoted this at the press conference and then corrected himself later on Twitter saying it was 60% have not been fully vaccinated.

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Quote: mailman "I think Vallance quoted this at the press conference and then corrected himself later on Twitter saying it was 60% have not been fully vaccinated.'"



Will need to check that out then. my wife is friends with a consultant at local hospital who said it is about 50 / 50 up here .

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "With the daily number of new cases exceeding 50,000 then it is more likely that any new variation will be home produced.'"


As a previous poster on here stated - his company had developed upwards of 30 different variants none of which were able to evade the vaccines - it would appear there isn't a strain anywhere in the world that is resistant to the vaccines.

I would suggest that is a very long shot - but just stay inside away from the rest of the world and you will be OK

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Quote: Durham Giant "I have changed the thread title !

What a FOOKING mess we are in.

I have 4 staff off atm .
1 with confirmed covid
1 quite ill and awaiting test results.
1 self isolating after being pinged
1 having to be at home as school class was sent home.


The team is in a worse position now then at the peak of the epidemic and I cannot see it getting better.

Between 50 and 60 % of people in hospital are double jabbed.

We have no idea how long immunity in the previously infected or jabbed lasts and any semblance of a coherent strategy has gone out of the window.


Current government policy is go to nightclubs and get infected then in September you cannot go to nightclubs until you have two jabs.

Talk about closing the barn door

What an almighty mess'"


So as an employer what are you doing to keep your staff safe - because it doesn't appear to be working?

You have always been sceptical of the vaccines - so your post simply backs up your earlier view point. Hospitalisations are very low as are deaths - what has changed since January to facilitate that?

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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "So as an employer what are you doing to keep your staff safe - because it doesn't appear to be working?

You have always been sceptical of the vaccines - so your post simply backs up your earlier view point. Hospitalisations are very low as are deaths - what has changed since January to facilitate that?'"


How can you blame him for his staff being off ?

The NHS app has become a bit of a joke, with may people simply ignoring or deleting the app to avoid having to isolate and the lunacy of the situation is demonstrated pretty well with my lad and his pals.
My lad, in his early 20's got pinged a week ago after going for a pint in Leeds and is dutifully isolating.
However, the lad that he went to Leeds with, who doesn't have the NHS app is carrying on regardless, still socialising and going out when he wants.
The NHS app apparently is only for "guidance" and can be ignored

Of course the example set by Bojo, is subject to change, whenever he feels like it and with "freedom day" now upon us, should anyone actually be abiding by the app, especially if they have been double jabbed.
From August 16th, NHS staff will be told to ignore the ping, "to keep the hospitals running" and if ever there was a "safety furst" situation, surely, these are the very people who should NOT ignore the isolation "advice".

It's absolute madness

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I believe if you are pinged it is not a legal requirement to isolate, it only becomes enforceable if you are contacted by track and trace by phone or text.

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Quote: mailman "I think Vallance quoted this at the press conference and then corrected himself later on Twitter saying it was 60% have not been fully vaccinated.'"


Yeah, his twitter username is @uksciencechief and he clarified it last night. On a related note @paulmainwood has done a thread to explain why this shows that the vaccine is working well. (Sorry can't link as using works laptop that blocks Twitter)

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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "So as an employer what are you doing to keep your staff safe - because it doesn't appear to be working?

You have always been sceptical of the vaccines - so your post simply backs up your earlier view point. Hospitalisations are very low as are deaths - what has changed since January to facilitate that?'"



You are Mixing me up with someone else.

I could not be more pro vaccine. But vaccines are not going to work by themselves.


Masks in enclosed spaces , working from home got those that can. Not allowing free flow of people in and out of the UK are other things that should go hand in hand with it.

. I have a friend working in Cambridge on vaccines and all he is working on is potential viruses that may break out of vaccine.

It is those like yourself who either. Through libertarian principles, not understanding the science around vaccines , head in the sand dreamers or incompetent Tory cheerleaders who will be leading us back into a mess.

Firstly no one knows how long vaccine protection lasts.

This from Jerusalem

[iThe Covid vaccine may be losing its efficacy in older people, researchers in Israel have warned, as the Delta variant drives a growing fourth wave in the country.

The monitoring team at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem reported that about 90 per cent of new confirmed cases in the over-fifties group were people who had been fully vaccinated. “It seems there’s a reduced efficiency of the vaccine, at least for part of the population,” the team said.





The researchers added, however, that there is need for further analysis before any definite conclusion on the vaccine’s efficacy can be reached. Israel has been using the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine.
[/i

Source. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covi ... -g2td6qc60

Surely it would be prudent to maintain some bio security measures in place until we understand more about this ? Such as wearing masks in shops and on public transport.
Or maybe await until people have had the booster ?
Why open nightclubs now for everyone and then say you have to prove Covid free or vaccinated in September. ?

At the current time every scientist in the world is watching Britain as a massive science experiment.

Israel which opened up 3 weeks ago is now issuing restrictions again.


As for my staff all the staff have full PPE on every visit. Mask visor gloves and apron
Being part of the public sector and essential workers who have to do visits not much else I can do
Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "So as an employer what are you doing to keep your staff safe - because it doesn't appear to be working?

You have always been sceptical of the vaccines - so your post simply backs up your earlier view point. Hospitalisations are very low as are deaths - what has changed since January to facilitate that?'"



You are Mixing me up with someone else.

I could not be more pro vaccine. But vaccines are not going to work by themselves.


Masks in enclosed spaces , working from home got those that can. Not allowing free flow of people in and out of the UK are other things that should go hand in hand with it.

. I have a friend working in Cambridge on vaccines and all he is working on is potential viruses that may break out of vaccine.

It is those like yourself who either. Through libertarian principles, not understanding the science around vaccines , head in the sand dreamers or incompetent Tory cheerleaders who will be leading us back into a mess.

Firstly no one knows how long vaccine protection lasts.

This from Jerusalem

[iThe Covid vaccine may be losing its efficacy in older people, researchers in Israel have warned, as the Delta variant drives a growing fourth wave in the country.

The monitoring team at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem reported that about 90 per cent of new confirmed cases in the over-fifties group were people who had been fully vaccinated. “It seems there’s a reduced efficiency of the vaccine, at least for part of the population,” the team said.





The researchers added, however, that there is need for further analysis before any definite conclusion on the vaccine’s efficacy can be reached. Israel has been using the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine.
[/i

Source. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covi ... -g2td6qc60

Surely it would be prudent to maintain some bio security measures in place until we understand more about this ? Such as wearing masks in shops and on public transport.
Or maybe await until people have had the booster ?
Why open nightclubs now for everyone and then say you have to prove Covid free or vaccinated in September. ?

At the current time every scientist in the world is watching Britain as a massive science experiment.

Israel which opened up 3 weeks ago is now issuing restrictions again.


As for my staff all the staff have full PPE on every visit. Mask visor gloves and apron
Being part of the public sector and essential workers who have to do visits not much else I can do


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Quote: wrencat1873 "How can you blame him for his staff being off ?

The NHS app has become a bit of a joke, with may people simply ignoring or deleting the app to avoid having to isolate and the lunacy of the situation is demonstrated pretty well with my lad and his pals.
My lad, in his early 20's got pinged a week ago after going for a pint in Leeds and is dutifully isolating.
However, the lad that he went to Leeds with, who doesn't have the NHS app is carrying on regardless, still socialising and going out when he wants.
The NHS app apparently is only for "guidance" and can be ignored

Of course the example set by Bojo, is subject to change, whenever he feels like it and with "freedom day" now upon us, should anyone actually be abiding by the app, especially if they have been double jabbed.
From August 16th, NHS staff will be told to ignore the ping, "to keep the hospitals running" and if ever there was a "safety furst" situation, surely, these are the very people who should NOT ignore the isolation "advice".

It's absolute madness'"


I am not blaming him - but if the work environment encourages the spread of the virus that is against H&S regs?

I agree completely the app is a joke - yes it is only for guidance - otherwise it would be compulsary. The issue is that we are hung up about the £37bn spent and then complain when it does what it was developed to do - go figure no bigger critic on T&T than yourself.

Johnson is deluded and he he will get a rude awakening soon enough but its typical of his lack of gravitas about anything - a more unfit person for high office doesn't exist.

What is the greater risk being treated by a hospital worker with a very low risk of having the virus or not getting treated at all because there is no service available

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It’s not the fact that it now works but the time it took and the money wasted in doing so by Dido and her friends in government.

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