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Quote: bren2k "The last time Labour talked about raising NI, Mrs May brayed about it being "Labour's jobs tax" and claimed it would slow the recovery...'"


I think the Tories have gone round in another circle.
They are re thinking their NI plans icon_eek.gif

Back on Labour, even their own MP's know that they are facing a catastrophic fall at the next election, it's disgraceful.
To allow Corbyn to remain as the captain of a sinking ship is just rank stupidity.

I believe that he and his inner circle are happy to "run" a small protest party with strong ideals, rather than adopt any policies that may give them an opportunity to govern the country.

What we have at the moment makes the Michael Foot year's look good.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "I think the Tories have gone round in another circle.
They are re thinking their NI plans
Isn't it the membership that's keeping him in post, rather than the PLP?

Scary times to be a Labour MP; if May called a snap election, most of them would be wiped out. On the other side, all the 5 quid members are intent on keeping Corbyn in position - I imagine as either a protest against the established way of doing politics, or because they believe in what he said, even if he's proving utterly incapable of actually delivering it. That said, the media bias against him makes it totally impossible for him to get any of his messages across - he is rarely reported on accurately, or for the substance of what he's said, and the Tory controlled BBC News dept are at the forefront of that campaign.

Either way up - we have no effective opposition, so the worst excesses of Tory arrogance are running out of control, with only the unelected House of Lords able to provide any checks and balances.

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Quote: bren2k "Isn't it the membership that's keeping him in post, rather than the PLP?

Scary times to be a Labour MP; if May called a snap election, most of them would be wiped out. On the other side, all the 5 quid members are intent on keeping Corbyn in position - I imagine as either a protest against the established way of doing politics, or because they believe in what he said, even if he's proving utterly incapable of actually delivering it. That said, the media bias against him makes it totally impossible for him to get any of his messages across - he is rarely reported on accurately, or for the substance of what he's said, and the Tory controlled BBC News dept are at the forefront of that campaign.

Either way up - we have no effective opposition, so the worst excesses of Tory arrogance are running out of control, with only the unelected House of Lords able to provide any checks and balances.'"


You also have the less rabid Tory MPs applying the brakes occasionally. Let's be honest it's them that force any governmental U-turns rather than the official opposition.

Agree it's the membership that have kept Corbyn in. 80% of the PLP want him out. They could put Jesus himself up as a candidate and the left would call him Blairite scum.

The BBC isn't going to do anything to jeopardise its already dicey position re the license fee by offending the government, at least not while the opposition is looking so unlikely to win an election. Hence the type of coverage Corbyn gets.

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Quote: Bullseye "The BBC isn't going to do anything to jeopardise its already dicey position re the license fee by offending the government, at least not while the opposition is looking so unlikely to win an election. Hence the type of coverage Corbyn gets.'"


And the fact that their news output is controlled by former advisers and various Tory cronies; Laura Kuenssberg herself has recently been pronounced by the BBC Trust as having reported on Corbyn in a way that breached guidance on impartiality and accuracy.

All that said - even if he was treated fairly by the media - I don't see any way in which the general public would warm to him; he's a lame duck.

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Quote: Bullseye "You also have the less rabid Tory MPs applying the brakes occasionally. Let's be honest it's them that force any governmental U-turns rather than the official opposition.

Agree it's the membership that have kept Corbyn in. 80% of the PLP want him out. They could put Jesus himself up as a candidate and the left would call him Blairite scum.

The BBC isn't going to do anything to jeopardise its already dicey position re the license fee by offending the government, at least not while the opposition is looking so unlikely to win an election. Hence the type of coverage Corbyn gets.'"


The problem for Labour is that most of the adult population don see themselves as the type of person that Corbyn is "fighting" for.
Yes, of course, there are low (under) paid people in full time employment and plenty on zero hours contracts but, many are aspirational with hope of "bettering" themselves and this group felt that Blair was on their side, whereas Corbyn appears to be targeting only the very low end (in terms of earnings) of the working population and the vast majority of people dont believe that they are in that category.
All of this comes back to a lack of mass appeal and any party needs to have the backing of roughly half of the voting age public to gain power and Labour are so far away from this, that it's embarrasing.

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The problem with all Labour MPs (and not just the Corbynites) is their broken record of answering every problem with more government spending. The public don't buy that. If they could express any form of meaningful, economic message of which increased spending in certain areas was part that would be different but they don't. .

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It is indeed an admirable act of political prestidigitation, that the Tories have been able to convince the very people who it will harm the most, that their ideological austerity measures are necessary and for the greater good.

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Corby not would get rid of trident in a heart beat. What's not to like about him????

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Sorry didn't understand that post James.

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Quote: Bullseye "Sorry didn't understand that post James.'"

With the tensions between the USA and Korea & Chima, scrapping Trident would be foolish, but nothing I've seen from Corbyn suggests he's anything other than a total liability

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Whether you agree with Trident or not to have unilateral nuclear disarmament as part of your manifesto is political suicide.

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Quote: Bullseye "Whether you agree with Trident or not to have unilateral nuclear disarmament as part of your manifesto is political suicide.[/www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/598422/china-war-warning-us-army-bases-missiles-taiwan

Trident is needed

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Daily Star. Hahahahaha!

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Having a nuclear DETERENT didn't deter Argentina, and they aint got nukes!!!!
Catching water in a colander is the usual spiel, plus does anyone actually know if these things work?
I thought there was a test ban treaty.
Is daddy warbucks short of a bob or two?

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Proponents of nuclear weapons would say they deter a nuclear attack. There may be something in that.

I don’t think anyone’s ever said they deter all wars.

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