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| Quote samwire="samwire"then there's manufacturing as a % of world total.
1979 3.9%
1990 4.3%
as you can see, the bitch killed it stone dead.
1997 4.3%
2010 2.3%
whereas new labour worked wonders.
why do people keep peddling the lie she destroyed British industry?'"
Because people vote labour because their parents did and not for what their policies are - therefore everything non labour is evil.
Because they get confused between real facts and quotes from spitting image - here's a clue, Spitting image was a fictional satirical comedy, not a documentary.
Because they choose to ignore the 6 months prior to the 1979 election where the country was at the mercy of the unions to the extent that you wen't to bed not knowing if there's be water the next day, or gas/electricity to heat homes in the winter ...or worse unions holding Callaghan to ransom to the extend that bodies didn't get buried
. And remember there was no striking on principal ...it was just greedy s after more of our taxes. |
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| Quote Steve 51="Steve 51"Because people vote labour because their parents did and not for what their policies are - therefore everything non labour is evil.
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Applies to all political parties.
Which is what the problem is with football supporter style politics. |
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| Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"Any chance you could provide some links to where all these figures come from that you quote'"
oops, sorry.
they're from DaveO's new bible.
[urlhttp://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN05809.pdf[/url |
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"The bottom line is out manufacturing output has fallen since the 70's from 5th to 9th and contrary to popular belief it isn't just in comparison to emerging economies such as China but against comparable European ones.'"
really? are you reading the right data. from the link YOU provided?
UK France
1970 5th 7th
1980 7th 5th
1990 6th 7th
2000 5th 7th
2010 9th 8th
because, what that looks like to me, y'know, your figures, is that the hit the fan in the 70's, the tories to improve our lot only for labour to balls it up. so, when people spout on about how thatcher destroyed our manufacturing industry, are they just misinformed or just outright liars. |
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| Quote Steve 51="Steve 51"
Because they choose to ignore the 6 months prior to the 1979 election where the country was at the mercy of the unions to the extent that you wen't to bed not knowing if there's be water the next day, or gas/electricity to heat homes in the winter ...'"
We ignore it because it never happened |
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"We ignore it because it never happened'"
You obviously weren´t working in the 1979 then! |
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| Quote Mintball="Mintball"And as Ha-Joon Chang explains, chasing very, very low inflation can be negative and, indeed, a certain level of inflation does no intrinsic damage.'"
Are you saying then that the Callaghan Government were being positive with their 18% inflation? |
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| Quote Lord Elpers="Lord Elpers"You obviously weren´t working in the 1979 then!'"
Feel free to highlight the water shortages, gas shortages and power cuts that happened in 1979.
Apart from January, when I had responsibility for flying pickets during the lorry drivers' strike, I worked the whole year. How was school for you? |
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| Quote Mintball="Mintball"Did it remind you of how much successive governments had, for a decade or so, been taking money out of these industries and utilities and not re-investing it in them?'"
In the 1960´s and 1970´s successive governments were pouring huge subsidies into these any loss making state run industries. They might just as well have gone into Trafalgar Square and burnt the tax payers money for all the good it did. Civil servants and politicians were/are just not able enough to run industry in a competitve market place.
Quote Mintball="Mintball"And did it discuss how 'selling off the family silver' not only left the country pretty much without any internal control, over what it needs to power it, and domestic customers in particular have been able to watch their bills spiral?.'"
You could not describe the privatisation of state industries after 1979 as selling the family silver.....they were all bankrupt.
Now if you are talking about selling off the family gold....we should give a mention to Gordon no more boom and bust Brown and Ed Balls up |
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"I will go with the House of Commons as my source:
[urlhttp://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN05809.pdf[/url
It's obvious that while the likes of Germany,France and Italy retain ownership of major car manufacturers and have companies that manufacture rolling stock and so on when n the UK we have one train maker left who is under threat of closure you are hiding behind a very naive interpretation of statistics. The fact some manufacturers such as Rolls Royce build high value aero engines and this bumps up figures that relate to the value of exports doesn't disguise the obvious.'"
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"I am sure you understood the meaning. BMW and VW are German owned companies and so any outposts here such as Mini are always at risk of losing out to German domestic concerns. The state of Lower Saxony owns something like 12% of VW and despite the "Volkswagon Law" being declared illegal the share ownership structure is such it isn't going to be taken over by a foreign company or dismantled.
In France Renault (which is associated with Nissan) was built up by the French government rather than allowed to go bust as our domestically owned car manufacturing base was. Companies like VW and Renault are German and French in an economic sense far more than any company in the UK involved in large scale volume manufacture is British these days.
So while companies like Nissan and Toyota contribute to our manufacturing output the fact they are foreign owned can't be shrugged off as just merely the product of globalisation because countries such as France, Germany (and Italy with Fiat) view the domestic ownership of such industries as important pillars of their economies.'"
Now if you are going to talk of who ruined the British car industry then look no further than Red Robbo and his militant union chums |
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As I asked way up the thread, name one private manufacturing company that MRS THATCHER closed down? Name any remotely viable manufacturing entity SHE closed down? I'd be interested.
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