You are saying we should not get involved don't bomb these types of groups - so that suggests as long as it isn't happening here its OK they can do they want.

I been back through this thread and you haven't listed one country - so let's try again. Just give one country where they have this narrower gap on incomes.

1. No it doesn't - it suggests that we should rethink our foreign policy, which most experts and even some Tories (although they deny each others meaning after the fact when it's convenient) agree has provided motivation and opportunity for terrorists to recruit people.

2. I listed Finland, Sweden Norway, Denmark and The Netherlands as countries which practice a form of collectivism that is closely related to socialism; and one could include Canada and China on that list - not pure, textbook socialism, which I accept doesn't work - but a model that has capitalism, with strong socialist programmes, co-existing quite comfortably.

Cue deluded Little Englanders bleating about the insignificance of some of these places on the world stage - forgetting of course that we just Brexited ourselves into a similarly insignificant status. Great places to live though, for the most part.

I'm pretty certain by the response to what happened that we live in an environment that knows bombing and killing innocent people is wrong. People say we should go about our lives as normal but then again are we having to tiptoe around and make sure we don't do anything that could possibly offend anybody, contradictory much. You can stop bombing overseas, you can be as nice and welcoming to minorities as possible and you'll still the likes of ISIS trying to kill and bomb us because they simply hate the West and they'll find reasons for still doing it. I agree with others, the country has to get tougher, that's not giving into hate, that's trying to protect the people of Britain.

The GDP of the UK is bigger than 5 of the countries you mentioned combined. The UK has the 5/6th largest economy in the world it has influence inside or outside of the EU. It could be argued that it has great influence outside as the EU appears to spouting policies/agendas that suit the Germans and the French.

France has been targeted more than most by these attacks - their military intervention is nothing like that of the US influenced UK so that would indicate that its far more complex than us going into Iraq/Libya etc.

Perhaps if we hadn't opened our doors to all and sundry like the family of the Manchester bomber then perhaps these events might be more controllable?

This is where you get the point mixed up. We aren't being attacked in revenge for bombing. It's that our clumsy and ill thought out interventions have created power vacuums, poverty and misery in these areas, which make people in the area susceptible to extremists.

All they have to do is convince people with nothing to lose to fight for their cause, blame the west for all their woes and offer them a bit of security. Even easier for them in areas with such low levels of education.

No one is suggesting letting Isis roam around as they please, but cracking down on the overwhelmingly innocent muslim community in the UK (who reported the bomber to authorities several times) is not the answer. Integration is a 2 way street.

And this is exactly the nuance that people like Sal won't engage with; if you advocate doing anything other than all out war, you're pandering to terrorists and apologising for suicide bombers. The level of political debate in the UK is depressingly facile at times, thanks in large part to the right wing media, who have a vested interest in perpetuating the status quo.

Our GDP per capita is pathetic. The fact that GDP creeks up is meaningless of itself.

So last few attacks in the country have been undertaken by British Muslims - does that suggest to you that integration is working?

What happened in Rochdale, Rotherham, Keighley and numerous other places does that suggest integration is really working - society has become even more polarised and that is just the fault of the indigenous population.

This is a society that gives the likes of Hamsa a voice and then we wonder why we get bombed!!

Very similar to Germany - I suppose they are pathetic too?

For years white males in positions of influence and authority have been abusing children on a scale far bigger than that of Rochdale or Rotherham. It doesn't matter what race or religion you are, these sick perverts exist in all walks of life and it is not confined to one group of people. Using those incidents to prove a point makes it a seriously flawed argument.

You'll ruin his anti muslim/immigrant story.
Dont mention the Catholic church, you'll properly ruin him.

Oh please.

No-one has ever denied child abuse exists in many walks of life, but to stick your fingers in your ears wailing 'la la la' and pretending there ISN'T a specific cultural issue with gangs of Asian males targeting and grooming young white English girls is either naivety or stupidity of the highest order. In reality I suspect a brainwashed and blinkered leftist brain simply can't acknowledge or comprehend the unpleasant truth.

It's a typical leftist denial/apologist response - ironically PRECISELY the sort of attitude that led to so many of those girls' cries for help being ignored for so long, and part of the reason so many in this country are fed up to the back teeth with being told how flaming wonderful multiculturalism and mass immigration is.

Well said - exactly this.

Ergo it is typical right wing white middle aged male attitude that has permitted the likes of Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris, Gary Glitter, as well as the church to get away with years of abuse.

France had colonies in north Africa and was a major part (with us) of the carving up of Iraq and Syria a 100 years ago and sewed the seeds of troubles there to this day. France also with us took part in the bombing of Libya to remove Gadaffi without a recovery plan that's worked out so well.

So France has done its share of foreign policy that has upset peoples in the arab world.