This is a message to all, put your head above the parapet and lay out your views here the expect them to be pulled apart and criticised, this isn't the Disney forum, I suggest those who are not happy with this think before they air their views.

agree 100%, but what I don't expect is direct personal abuse and [isome[/i posters being immune to the AUP.

LOLZ

Your day-to-day "normal" self doesn't express these opinions does he ?

No personal responsibility.

agree 100%, that's what poe means, "I'll do as I please, someone else can pick up the tab"

That's what our political masters want. Their whole ethos (and "system"icon_wink.gif is based on expanding credit. The Tories are still looking at introducing more schemes to encourage people who can't afford it to borrow to buy houses. Glad to see the EU s trying to block buy-to-let mortgages though. About time someone addressed the elephant in the room of market distortion via buy-to-let.

Make your bloody mind up.

You trot out the "politics of envy" at any and every opportunity, despite the fact that you more often use it in the wrong context than the correct one.

The welfare state has absolutely nothing to do with poe, it has everything to do with social responsibility.

If absolutely everyone lived within their means, not relying on credit at all - yes even mortgages are credit - then the western economies would've collapsed centuries ago and we'd be back to barter trade and periods of starvation.

Just because you declare yourself to be socially irresponsible, doesn't necessarily mean that those of us with a social conscience are envious of you. Quite the opposite in fact

Every time the organ grinder starts up the handle you can always guarantee that this little monkey in its pillbox hat will pop up and shake a tin in your face, its almost like they are the same person...

I can guarantee you that it isn't the fault of the children. But it seems you'd happily see them suffer and die as long as it saved you a few quid? No offence, but that's a pretty despicable attitude to have.

The so-called 'politics of envy' are more than matched by the 'politics of resentment'.

And lack of responsibility is not 'envy' by any recognisable definition of the word.

Anyone with a line of credit is by definition living a life they can't afford. If everyone spent only what they earned, the current Capitalist model would collapse around our ears. In fact that's more or less what happened in 2008. Virtually every Western democracy has built their economic recovery since then on convincing people to spend money they don't actually have.