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How many Prime Ministers were the respondents asked about in these polls. For instance was the Newsnight poll asking respondents "who is your favourite prime minister out of these 3?"

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Quote: Him "How many Prime Ministers were the respondents asked about in these polls. For instance was the Newsnight poll asking respondents "who is your favourite prime minister out of these 3?"'"


Presumably the other two were Pol Pot and Rober Mugabe?

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Quote: Ajw71 "Hey don't take my word for it....

2010 University of Leeds Poll - 2nd
2004 University of Leeds / Mori Poll - 4th
1999 Radio 4 Poll - 5th
2000 British Politics Group Poll - 4th
2008 Newsnight Poll - 3rd
2006 BBC History - Joint 1st
2007 Daily Politics - 1st
(Unknown date) The Times - 5th

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Maggie is very nearly the thrid best prime minster the country has ever seen.

Sin Bin

Funny thing ... I wasn't asked in any of those polls.
Can we have a link maybe, so that we can check such trivia as sample size, target social groups, the actual question that was asked and options offered?

I mean (unknown date) isn't exactly confidence-inspiring is it?

Also, you have to bear in mind that a) she never had the vote of the majority of the population (more people voted consistently against her than for her), and as all PMs go out under a cloud, so "third best" is a strange and probably meaningless term is it not?

If I was offered a choice of tripe, courgette, Big Mac, Strawberries or lamb chops then Big Mac would come 3rd, even though I never touch that muck.

Ajw71 = illogical, not for the first time.

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Quote: El Barbudo "Funny thing ... I wasn't asked in any of those polls.
Can we have a link maybe, so that we can check such trivia as sample size, target social groups, the actual question that was asked and options offered?

I mean (unknown date) isn't exactly confidence-inspiring is it?

Also, you have to bear in mind that a) she never had the vote of the majority of the population (more people voted consistently against her than for her), and as all PMs go out under a cloud, so "third best" is a strange and probably meaningless term is it not?

If I was offered a choice of tripe, courgette, Big Mac, Strawberries or lamb chops then Big Mac would come 3rd, even though I never touch that muck.

Ajw71

Me, illogical?

Haha I think not. You think Margaret Thatcher was a rubbish PM? You offer no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims apart from, 'well I say so, and I'm right'.

The fact is, if she was bad as you think she was, she wouldn't rank so highly in every single poll on the issue. Now as I have said earlier, you are in a minority as all the evidence shows. You may not like it, you may think everyone who likes her is [insert swear words here] but the fact is she is regarded as one of the greatest prime ministers the country has had.

You disagree about being in a minority, please provide evidence to support your claims, as I have done.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical ... ed_Kingdom
Quote: El Barbudo "Funny thing ... I wasn't asked in any of those polls.
Can we have a link maybe, so that we can check such trivia as sample size, target social groups, the actual question that was asked and options offered?

I mean (unknown date) isn't exactly confidence-inspiring is it?

Also, you have to bear in mind that a) she never had the vote of the majority of the population (more people voted consistently against her than for her), and as all PMs go out under a cloud, so "third best" is a strange and probably meaningless term is it not?

If I was offered a choice of tripe, courgette, Big Mac, Strawberries or lamb chops then Big Mac would come 3rd, even though I never touch that muck.

Ajw71

Me, illogical?

Haha I think not. You think Margaret Thatcher was a rubbish PM? You offer no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims apart from, 'well I say so, and I'm right'.

The fact is, if she was bad as you think she was, she wouldn't rank so highly in every single poll on the issue. Now as I have said earlier, you are in a minority as all the evidence shows. You may not like it, you may think everyone who likes her is [insert swear words here] but the fact is she is regarded as one of the greatest prime ministers the country has had.

You disagree about being in a minority, please provide evidence to support your claims, as I have done.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical ... ed_Kingdom


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Quote: JerryChicken "She was sacked - by her own cabinet ministers.

For being too right wing, and out of touch with the voters.

For being too right wing in a cabinet of ministers each of whom would be the rightest of right wing members of any of David Cameron's cabinet.

One of her closest allies was General Pinochet of Chile, a man she admired greatly for his right wing policies, which incidently led him to being indicted for human rights violations - thats where her mind was heading and thats where this country was heading.

Until her own staff sacked her.

Thats how admired and appreciated she was.'"


Abe Lincoln was assasinated by a disillusioned member of his electorate and hated by many in the south.
Winston Churchill became unpopular after the second world war.

Both still regarded as great leaders.

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Quote: Ajw71 "Abe Lincoln was assasinated by a disillusioned member of his electorate and hated by many in the south.
Winston Churchill became unpopular after the second world war.

Both still regarded as great leaders.'"


There aren't many British Prime Ministers who are sacked by their own party WHILST STILL IN THE JOB.

There hasn't been a British Prime Minister in my lifetime where their own party has decided that things have gone so far wrong that they need to sack their leader RIGHT NOW instead of taking a chance at the next election.

When she left Downing Street in tears in the back of that limousine she didn't have a single supporter in her own party, none in parliament and certainly not many in the country as a whole - to claim that she was the most popular PM this country has ever had is just bloody hilarious when you're old enough to remember the FACTS and not what your school history books have told you.

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Quote: Ajw71 "Me, illogical?

Haha I think not. You think Margaret Thatcher was a rubbish PM? You offer no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims apart from, 'well I say so, and I'm right'.

The fact is, if she was bad as you think she was, she wouldn't rank so highly in every single poll on the issue. Now as I have said earlier, you are in a minority as all the evidence shows. You may not like it, you may think everyone who likes her is [insert swear words here] but the fact is she is regarded as one of the greatest prime ministers the country has had.

You disagree about being in a minority, please provide evidence to support your claims, as I have done.

You've provided sod all evidence to back up your claim.

2010 University of Leeds poll - was a survey of 106 academics and restricted to post 1945

2004 University of Leeds - was an online survey of 139 academics and was a survey of how successful they thought 20th Century PM's were.

1999 Radio 4 poll - was a survey of 20 historians, politicians and commentators.

2000 British politics group poll - asked 22 US and UK scholars.

2006 BBC History Magazine - The opinion of 1 historian on how well each PM implemented their policies.

2007 Daily Politics - a discreet online poll, which excluded Churchill and makes no mention of how many people voted.

The Times - It's the Times FFS. Do the same poll in the Mirror and you'll get a different result.

The only poll that has even semi-legitimacy is the Newsnight poll of 27,000 viewers. But even that had flaws, it's online only, it's viewers only, which restricts it to certain types of people.

So in essence, you have provided no evidence for your assertions.

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Quote: Ajw71 "Hey don't take my word for it....

2010 University of Leeds Poll - 2nd
2004 University of Leeds / Mori Poll - 4th
1999 Radio 4 Poll - 5th
2000 British Politics Group Poll - 4th
2008 Newsnight Poll - 3rd
2006 BBC History - Joint 1st
2007 Daily Politics - 1st
(Unknown date) The Times - 5th

Average 3.12

Maggie is very nearly the thrid best prime minster the country has ever seen.

Sin Bin


I don't have to take your word for it or "prove" anything. I was old enough to not have voted for her and to have lived through her government. The most memorable thing you probably remember is when she snatched your milk from school (thats if you were even born then).

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Quote: Him "You've provided sod all evidence to back up your claim.

2010 University of Leeds poll - was a survey of 106 academics and restricted to post 1945

2004 University of Leeds - was an online survey of 139 academics and was a survey of how successful they thought 20th Century PM's were.

1999 Radio 4 poll - was a survey of 20 historians, politicians and commentators.

2000 British politics group poll - asked 22 US and UK scholars.

2006 BBC History Magazine - The opinion of 1 historian on how well each PM implemented their policies.

2007 Daily Politics - a discreet online poll, which excluded Churchill and makes no mention of how many people voted.

The Times - It's the Times FFS. Do the same poll in the Mirror and you'll get a different result.

The only poll that has even semi-legitimacy is the Newsnight poll of 27,000 viewers. But even that had flaws, it's online only, it's viewers only, which restricts it to certain types of people.

So in essence, you have provided no evidence for your assertions.'"


I have provided evidence. Just because you don't like it and try to discredit it does not mean it's not evidence.

8 different polls, some popular opinion, some academic, some from political commentators. But all one common theme, they rank Thatcher as one of our best.

You can say, I'm too young etc all you want. The academics agree with me in their droves and I'm betting they know more about her time as PM as anyone on this forum.

Oh and incidentially, you haven't provided any evidence so I can't even begin to discredit it.

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Quote: Hull White Star "I don't have to take your word for it or "prove" anything. I was old enough to not have voted for her and to have lived through her government. The most memorable thing you probably remember is when she snatched your milk from school (thats if you were even born then).'"


Hellow HWS.

Assuming then from the tone of your post, you don't like Maggie very much.

What is the reason the polls all rank her so highly then, in your opinion?

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Quote: Ajw71 "Hellow HWS.

Assuming then from the tone of your post, you don't like Maggie very much.

What is the reason the polls all rank her so highly then, in your opinion?'"


I don't listen to polls, I'd rather listen to people who were there living through it at the time, having their milk taken away and having to pay their poll tax from their YTS £29.50/40hr week wages and at the same time donating to the miners childrens fund from said (slave) wages.

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Quote: Ajw71 "I have provided evidence. Just because you don't like it and try to discredit it does not mean it's not evidence.

8 different polls, some popular opinion, some academic, some from political commentators. But all one common theme, they rank Thatcher as one of our best.

You can say, I'm too young etc all you want. The academics agree with me in their droves and I'm betting they know more about her time as PM as anyone on this forum.

Oh and incidentially, you haven't provided any evidence so I can't even begin to discredit it.'"

icon_lol.gif You really don't have a clue how this works do you. To back up your assertions you need to provide CREDIBLE evidence, otherwise you're just like Kirkstall claiming the bible is evidence of creationism. I don't need to try and discredit it, it is discredited already in this context.

There were 8 polls you provided, all from Wikipedia.
5 of them do not poll the public and have too small a sample size to be credible in this case.
The 3 that do, 1 is from a right wing newspaper. This restricts the sample, in the same way that if you poll a Hare Krishna temple you'll get a large support for shaving your head.
Another is from a politics tv show. It attracts only 200k viewers, is broadcast in the middle of the day and less than 25% of viewers are under 45. This again restricts the sample. Plus we are not told any details of how many people voted and Churchill and pre 1945 leaders were excluded.
As I said the only poll that can claim any sort of legitimacy is the Newsnight one due to the fairly large sample size. But then, as with the Daily Politics, Newsnight attracts a certain type of person, generally older, generally already interested in politics, generally wealthier.

Come up with a large, comprehensive, impartial poll then I'll take more interest.

You appear to be changing your argument, was Thatcher a good PM? Or good at getting her policies through and implemented? The academics don't agree with you in droves because they are 2 different questions.

Not only have you thoroughly lost credibility you also appear to have lost yer marbles.
I haven't said anything about you being too young and I haven't asserted anything, so why would I provide evidence for something I haven't said?

A bit of advice, quit while you're dead, buried and 6 feet under.

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Quote: Hull White Star "I don't listen to polls, I'd rather listen to people who were there living through it at the time, having their milk taken away and having to pay their poll tax from their YTS £29.50/40hr week wages and at the same time donating to the miners childrens fund from said (slave) wages.'"

Don't worry about it, Mrs HWS. The polls are an irrelevant distraction from a quick, lazy search on Wikipedia.

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Quote: Him "

Given that most polls are commissioned by one or other interest group it could be difficult to satisfy your criteria - but then that is what you want!!

But here goes - June 2011 Reuters/Ipsos Mori political monitor poll for the Daily Telegraph suggest Mrs Thatcher was the most capable of recent prime ministers but Blair the most likeable?

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Quote: Hull White Star "I don't listen to polls, I'd rather listen to people who were there living through it at the time, having their milk taken away and having to pay their poll tax from their YTS £29.50/40hr week wages and at the same time donating to the miners childrens fund from said (slave) wages.'"


I lived through the three day week when electricity was rationed due to the miners strike of 1972, I also lived through the Callaghan/Healey debacle when rubbish didn't get emptied, bodies didn't get buried and top rate tax was 83% and basic rate was 33% and the IMF were required to Healey out of the crap.

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     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Wakefield
v
Castleford
 Fri 18th Apr 2025
       League One 2025-R6
14:00
Midlands
v
Crusaders
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Newcastle
15:00
Rochdale
v
Swinton
15:00
Workington
v
Whitehaven
18:30
Keighley
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Hull FC
v
Hull KR
20:00
Wigan
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Huddersfield
 Sat 19th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
20:00
Catalans
v
Salford
 Thu 24th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull KR
 Fri 25th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
20:00
Salford
v
Leigh
 Sat 26th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
17:30
Catalans
v
Wakefield
 Sun 27th Apr 2025
       League One 2025-R7
13:00
Cornwall
v
Keighley
14:30
Crusaders
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
       League One 2025-R7
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Rochdale
15:00
Newcastle
v
Goole V
15:00
Workington
v
Swinton
 Fri 2nd May 2025
       League One 2025-R8
20:00
Newcastle
v
Workington
 Sat 3rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Leigh
v
Catalans
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Rochdale
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
17:15
Hull KR
v
Salford
19:30
St.Helens
v
Leeds
 Sun 4th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
13:00
Huddersfield
v
Hull FC
       League One 2025-R8
13:00
Cornwall
v
Midlands
15:00
Swinton
v
Crusaders
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Dewsbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:15
Wigan
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Wakefield
 Sun 11th May 2025
       League One 2025-R9
14:30
Crusaders
v
Newcastle
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Cornwall
15:00
Keighley
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Midlands
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Goole V
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
       League One 2025-R10
14:00
Midlands
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
       League One 2025-R10
15:00
Keighley
v
Crusaders
15:00
Rochdale
v
Newcastle
15:00
Swinton
v
Cornwall
15:00
Workington
v
Goole V
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R11
13:00
Cornwall
v
Goole V
14:00
Midlands
v
Swinton
14:30
Crusaders
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
       League One 2025-R11
15:00
Newcastle
v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Dewsbury
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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