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Quote: hull2524 "johnson is no world beater, but the alterative is unthinkable. sleezy Starmer and his left wing mob is unelectable and everyone knows that'"


Posting that with a clown avatar. Fantastic.

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Quote: Mild Rover "He’s clearly emboldened rather than humbled. The lesson he seems to have learned is that he can get away with it and the Parliamentary Conservative Party will let anything slide.

He is further confirmed in his long-standing belief that it is churlish of other people not regard him as an exception, as one who should be free of the network of obligations, which binds everybody else.

His sycophants and enablers should be ashamed. He is neither inevitable or enviable. Unrestrained, he is dangerous.'"


I live in the Wakefield constituency and having received my Conservative paper it’s clear they believe that reliving the Brexit election strategy will work again. It contained the usual “securing the borders” etc and even felt the need to point out that the Labour candidate wanted to remain. I think the people of Wakefield have moved on and there are far more problems than the mess that is Brexit. It did at least have a picture of de Pfeffel but not much else about him.
I read that Mrs de Pfeffel is very much like her husband in their belief of superiority and that the law does not need to be followed. It could be said that Mrs de Pfeffel likes a party just as much as her husband especially during lockdown.
I am not sure I would want him removed because clearly he is an asset to a Labour victory but he is dangerous and the damage he could do to democracy in this country in two years is frightening.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "I live in the Wakefield constituency and having received my Conservative paper it’s clear they believe that reliving the Brexit election strategy will work again. It contained the usual “securing the borders” etc and even felt the need to point out that the Labour candidate wanted to remain. I think the people of Wakefield have moved on and there are far more problems than the mess that is Brexit. It did at least have a picture of de Pfeffel but not much else about him.
I read that Mrs de Pfeffel is very much like her husband in their belief of superiority and that the law does not need to be followed. It could be said that Mrs de Pfeffel likes a party just as much as her husband especially during lockdown.
I am not sure I would want him removed because clearly he is an asset to a Labour victory but he is dangerous and the damage he could do to democracy in this country in two years is frightening.'"


With the Tory’s get your vote?

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Quote: wire-quin "With the Tory’s get your vote?'"


Could all get interesting in the next couple of weeks.
Apparently, 40 Tory MP's have now submitted their letters to Graham Brady.
54 is the magic number.

Maybe the arrogant lying PM is about to be ousted.

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Will no and with also no.

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Looks like the vote of confidence may be coming next week.
Finally, enough Tory MP's have decided to put on their "big boy" pants.

About bloody time !

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Looks like the vote of confidence may be coming next week.
Finally, enough Tory MP's have decided to put on their "big boy" pants.

About bloody time !'"


Well according to Nadine he has the confidence of the country well sorry I have absolutely no confidence at all in his tenure. I guess she knows that no de Pfeffel then no Nadine because let’s face facts she is like many in the current cabinet unemployable and would be back on the benches.
It looks like operation save big dog failed its first obstacle, avoiding an ego busting vote of confidence.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "Well according to Nadine he has the confidence of the country well sorry I have absolutely no confidence at all in his tenure. I guess she knows that no de Pfeffel then no Nadine because let’s face facts she is like many in the current cabinet unemployable and would be back on the benches.
It looks like operation save big dog failed its first obstacle, avoiding an ego busting vote of confidence.'"


It was interesting listening to the possible scenarios, which could happen when a leadership contest is triggered.
Apparently, Boris is assured of 170 votes, which will make him "no 1 contender" but, it the number of votes against that will dictate whether he can cling on to power.

Usually, the standing PM will get a tap on the shoulder from the men in grey suits but, I cant see Johnson going quietly and he is likely to wriggle and scream and do everything possible to hang on to his position as leader..
There is the up coming by election in Wakefield and also one in Tiverton.
Labour has to take Wakefield back or they too are screwed but, Tiverton is currently Tory and they had a 22,000 majority at the last election but, the Lib Dems are fancying their chances here.

Poor Boris, I actually feel sorry for him now icon_lol.gif

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It would appear that de Pfeffel actually thought about resigning, i bet that caused him to wake up in a cold sweat. He then realised that he was far too important to the country to resign because he still had a bucket list of institutions and laws to destroy.

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Quote: Mild Rover "
Why do you regard Starmer as being sleazy? Why do you believe he is unelectable?
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I wonder if, on the issue of electability, it is that, from a Red Wall perspective, being lied to and despised is bad but that being patronised, pitied and taken for granted is worse?

Beyond just not being Boris Johnson, Labour does to be clearer about what it is offering and to whom, if it is to have a shot a forming a government (most likely in coalition) after the next election.

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Quote: Mild Rover "I wonder if, on the issue of electability, it is that, from a Red Wall perspective, being lied to and despised is bad but that being patronised, pitied and taken for granted is worse?

Beyond just not being Boris Johnson, Labour does to be clearer about what it is offering and to whom, if it is to have a shot a forming a government (most likely in coalition) after the next election.'"


The way he is performing just not being de Pfeffel looks like a vote winner.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "The way he is performing just not being de Pfeffel looks like a vote winner.'"

The danger is the Tories get rid of Johnson and then get to paint the new leader somehow as a fresh start. Unless it's a complete outsider they will of course all have the blood of the last 12 disastrous years on their hands - but that's not how people's minds work. Labour need to be clearer and more authentic than they have been so far.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "The danger is the Tories get rid of Johnson and then get to paint the new leader somehow as a fresh start. Unless it's a complete outsider they will of course all have the blood of the last 12 disastrous years on their hands - but that's not how people's minds work. Labour need to be clearer and more authentic than they have been so far.'"


They'll probably elect Jacob Rees-Mogg as leader and call him the anti-establishment choice.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "The way he is performing just not being de Pfeffel looks like a vote winner.'"


You’d assume so. But if the Tories get shut, it becomes much less relevant… though the longer they wait, the more it’ll look like a cynical electoral calculation than being about standards in public life.

There’s ~644k 2019 Brexit Party voters floating about too.

You look at the key roles in the Shadow cabinet (leader, chancellor, home and foreign secretaries), both now and under Corbyn at the last election, and there’s not a lot of representation from outside London and the South East. McDonnell grew up Liverpool but was deep in London politics from the early 80s. Cooper has a Yorkshire seat but grew up in Hampshire. Nandy did have a spell shadowing Foreign in between, as well. But the shift has been from more working class London-types to more Oxford-educated London-types. While London largely sees itself as aspirational and the engine of the UK economy, much of the rest of the country sees it as divorced from them and parasitical.

I’ve seen it noted that the Labour mayors of Manchester (Burnham) and West Yorkshire (Brabin) weren’t invited to speak at the last party conference, whereas the mayor of London (Khan) was. I’m not saying he shouldn’t have been, but when you’ve lost so much of your northern heartlands, you’d think there’d be more effort to reconnect. Like they did in Scotland… oh.

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The dreaded vote of confidence is set for today, after more than 54 Tory MP's submitted their letters..
The word on the streets is that he wont go quietly so, we may have a "lame duck" PM until the next election.

#prayfotboris

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Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
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Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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