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| Quote: Mintball "And as Ha-Joon Chang explains, chasing very, very low inflation can be negative and, indeed, a certain level of inflation does no intrinsic damage.
Friedman and the Chicago School believed – as did Reagan, Thatcher and others – that something that had never worked in the past would suddenly work. It didn't. There was no 'trickle down'. Those at the very top did very well – everyone else did progressively worse.'"
And yet the fundamental principle of Thatcherism was that EVERYONE would have the chance of doing well.
Time was when in order to get a job in the City you had to be public school educated and called Smithers Ponsonby-Smyth.
After the Big Bang you could get the same job being called Alf Muck.
Traditional Labour had a vested interest in keeping a large "working class", for wont of a better word, "down".
Tradtional Tory had a vested interest in keeping a large "working class", for wont of a better word, "down".
Thatcher offered the opportunity to everyone.
You can argue with her methods, and the alternatives, but you cannot deny this. |
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The Communist Cap - dragging down success and aspiration to the levels of those who cba.: |
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| Quote: Mintball "Did it remind you of how much successive governments had, for a decade or so, been taking money out of these industries and utilities and not re-investing it in them?
And did it discuss how 'selling off the family silver' not only left the country pretty much without any internal control, over what it needs to power it, and domestic customers in particular have been able to watch their bills spiral?
Even the forums on the [iTelegraph[/i have, over the last year or so, seen commentators grumbling that perhaps privatisation was not all that it was cracked up to be.
And indeed, the fact that we (the taxpayer) still subsidises transport, for instance, is an indicator as to exactly who has benefited from privatisation.'"
There is an argument for nationalisation of certain natural monopolies. The problem is that employees in a monopoly, state owned or private, tend to fall behind in the productivity stakes.
For any company this isn't an issue for non stakeholders. The difference is that for a public company those stakeholders are the taxpayers. |
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "And yet the fundamental principle of Thatcherism was that EVERYONE would have the chance of doing well.
Time was when in order to get a job in the City you had to be public school educated and called Smithers Ponsonby-Smyth.
After the Big Bang you could get the same job being called Alf Muck.
Traditional Labour had a vested interest in keeping a large "working class", for wont of a better word, "down".
Tradtional Tory had a vested interest in keeping a large "working class", for wont of a better word, "down".
Thatcher offered the opportunity to everyone.
You can argue with her methods, and the alternatives, but you cannot deny this.'"
And yet the irony is that, in the past 30 years, social mobility has decreased. |
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'when my life is over, the thing which will have given me greatest pride is that I was first to plunge into the sea, swimming freely underwater without any connection to the terrestrial world'
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "And yet the fundamental principle of Thatcherism was that EVERYONE would have the chance of doing well. [sizeBut god help you if you couldn't achieve, you were derided and put out to grass)[/size
Time was when in order to get a job in the City you had to be public school educated and called Smithers Ponsonby-Smyth.
After the Big Bang you could get the same job being called Alf Muck.
Traditional Labour had a vested interest in keeping a large "working class", for wont of a better word, "down".
Tradtional Tory had a vested interest in keeping a large "working class", for wont of a better word, "down".
Thatcher offered the opportunity to everyone.
You can argue with her methods, and the alternatives, but you cannot deny this.'" |
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "There is an argument for nationalisation of certain natural monopolies. The problem is that employees in a monopoly, state owned or private, tend to fall behind in the productivity stakes... '"
How come the most efficient UK train company is the state-owned East Coast ? |
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX " <snip> Traditional Labour had a vested interest in keeping a large "working class", for wont of a better word, "down". <snip> '"
Quote: XBrettKennyX " ...You can argue with her methods, and the alternatives, but you cannot deny this.'"
Yes, I can.
But first, where do you get the notion that traditional Labour had a vested interest in keeping a large "working class" down and how did it do so? |
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Watching QTime last night reminded of a few things about that time
Some industries are just not profitable without state subsidy. The railways being a case in point. Taxpayers subsidise the profits of Virgin Trains for example. If there are any advantages to privatisation it must be cheaper cost to the taxpayer. I see the opposite here.
Others such as Gas and Electricity are only profitable due to ever increasing bills for the consumer. Remember a private companies first duty is to its shareholders and we see the results with the power companies with less well off people suffering fuel poverty in 2013.
Some industries are natural monopolies and when you have a monopoly its better for the state to run it.
The idea mentioned elsewhere that there is some intrinsic problem once people are employed in such organisations is complete bunkum. The East Coast main line has been run by the state for over three years and is efficient. Network Rail itself is state run after having to be re-nationalised. The fact the most costly health provision in the world in the USA is private shows that is another area where privatise everything is not appropriate.
Quote: Sal Paradise "2. The level of inflation 18% - whatever you say about Friedman controlling inflation was one of the central planks of his theory. '"
Was exiting the ERM mentioned under Lamont? I remember interests rates at that level and higher due to all that.
Quote: Sal Paradise "3. The interference of unions in progress - e.g. Brenda Dean and the print industry'"
She was battling for the rights of her members and if you look into this in any detail you will find she was opposed by many local union leaders as she tried to end the casual labour that dominated the industry because getting them all unionised would have undermined the local leaders influence and position. She wasn't opposed to progress but was batting on a losing wicket because to a large extent local leaders felt they could continue to hold papers to ransom (by preventing them going to print). Murdoch saw that as the opportunity he needed to undermine Dean. It wasn't unions (ad Dean's level) interfering in progress but very old fashioned local chapel leaders who wanted to retain their influence who couldn't see what was coming that were the problem. They wanted to carry on with the way things were as art of an almost feudal system. Dean recognised this but was hamstrung from the start. There is a lot of stuff on the net about this dispute and it makes interesting reading.
Quote: Sal Paradise "4. The perception of Britain worldwide as a the sick man of Europe'"
And with our triple A rating gone and no manufacturing industry in comparison to the likes to Germany and France we aren't now? I certainly feel we have been dumped on from a very great height and when we see things like the Aussie dollar surge and make it prohibitive for us to travel there as opposed to the other way around we really are in a mess.
Quote: Sal Paradise "5. How we could have used Oil revenues more productively'"
Nigel Lawson should have been shot for selling off BNOC.
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| Quote: DaveO "And with our triple A rating gone and no manufacturing industry in comparison to the likes to Germany and France we aren't now? I certainly feel we have been dumped on from a very great height and when we see things like the Aussie dollar surge and make it prohibitive for us to travel there as opposed to the other way around we really are in a mess.'"
ok, it's from wikipedia, so no doubt you have your reliable sources to back up your claims.
German GDP by sector Agri 1% Ind 28.5% Services 70.5%
French GDP by sector Agri 2% Ind 19.0% Services 79.0%
UK GDP by sector Agri 1% Ind 21.5% Services 77.5% |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "You also get to make things up and pretend you are something you aren’t.
Like a wounded ex-serviceman with a husband. It’s a weird thing to pretend but you can do it on the internet. You can even respond with faux-indignation when you get caught out pretending, again it’s a weird thing to do, but as you are proving, you can do it on the internet.'"
It never ceases to amaze me how people like you and your union mates construct a story in your heads and filter what you read to suit your theory.
It’s sad and I’ve seen it in many middle aged people who have sad lives and who live their lives based on a self delusion, only to be reinforced in a place like this forum where the self important thrive.
I’ll wager most of those I described are stuck in dead end minor supervisory jobs and blame everyone else including Maggie (God bless her) for your pointless lives.
My motivation to write on here is only to amuse myself at your indignation |
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| Quote: Knuckles "It never ceases to amaze me how people like you and your union mates construct a story in your heads and filter what you read to suit your theory.
It’s sad and I’ve seen it in many middle aged people who have sad lives and who live their lives based on a self delusion, only to be reinforced in a place like this forum where the self important thrive.
I’ll wager most of those I described are stuck in dead end minor supervisory jobs and blame everyone else including Maggie (God bless her) for your pointless lives.
My motivation to write on here is only to amuse myself at your indignation'"
Did your commanding officer in call of duty tell you that?
Im not indignant at all. Just confused about why someone would pretend to be a wounded serviceman. Seems like a ridiculous thing to pretend.
And not one of those things you have guessed are true. Again it wouldn’t bother me if they were but not one of them are. |
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| Quote: Knuckles "It never ceases to amaze me how people like you and your union mates construct a story in your heads and filter what you read to suit your theory.
It’s sad and I’ve seen it in many middle aged people who have sad lives and who live their lives based on a self delusion, only to be reinforced in a place like this forum where the self important thrive.
I’ll wager most of those I described are stuck in dead end minor supervisory jobs and blame everyone else including Maggie (God bless her) for your pointless lives.
My motivation to write on here is only to amuse myself at your indignation'"
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| Quote: hopps "How can you cremate someone who is already burning in hell. .'"
There is no hell, but I am pretty convinced that Maggie will have gone to her grave 100% convinced that she had done no evil, but the "right thing". She seemed utterly convinced that she was always right, and anyone who disagred with her was in the wrong. Delusional, maybe, and certainly, not everyone would agree, but if there was a hell, wouldn't it be for sinners? |
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'when my life is over, the thing which will have given me greatest pride is that I was first to plunge into the sea, swimming freely underwater without any connection to the terrestrial world'
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I reckon the mods should look at having an extra smily, perhaps a little guy gesturing back and forth with his had on his midrift area, would be ideal for the pillock
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| Quote: samwire "ok, it's from wikipedia, so no doubt you have your reliable sources to back up your claims.
German GDP by sector Agri 1% Ind 28.5% Services 70.5%
French GDP by sector Agri 2% Ind 19.0% Services 79.0%
UK GDP by sector Agri 1% Ind 21.5% Services 77.5%'"
I will go with the House of Commons as my sourcehttp://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN05809.pdfrl
Quote: samwire "International comparisons of manufacturing output are published by the United Nations Statistics Division in their Main Aggregates Database. The latest available data are for 2010. The data are in US dollars at market exchange rates, so they are influenced by the strength of local currencies against the dollar at a given time. ‘Manufacturing’ is defined as far as possible using the International Standard Industrial Classification of all Economic Activities revision 3, ISIC D. There are, however, some definitional differences between countries and these data should be used with caution.
In 2010, the UK rankedbehind the USA, China, Japan, Germany, Italy and France. The UK was between 5th and 8th on this list in the entire period since 1970.'"
It's obvious that while the likes of Germany,France and Italy retain ownership of major car manufacturers and have companies that manufacture rolling stock and so on when n the UK we have one train maker left who is under threat of closure you are hiding behind a very naive interpretation of statistics. The fact some manufacturers such as Rolls Royce build high value aero engines and this bumps up figures that relate to the value of exports doesn't disguise the obvious. |
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| Quote: DaveO "I will go with the House of Commons as my sourcehttp://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN05809.pdfrl
It's obvious that while the likes of Germany,France and Italy retain ownership of major car manufacturers and have companies that manufacture rolling stock and so on when n the UK we have one train maker left who is under threat of closure you are hiding behind a very naive interpretation of statistics. The fact some manufacturers such as Rolls Royce build high value aero engines and this bumps up figures that relate to the value of exports doesn't disguise the obvious.'"
Have you been to France recently? The country is not in a good way. The future looks very dim and the people know it.
German productivity is much higher than the UK (worryingly so is that of France). The great news for them is that in a world in which manufactured goods are getting increasingly polarised between cheap and cheerful (supplied by Asia) and quality (Korea/Japan/Europe), the weaker Euro has helped them massively.
I'm interested to hear which car manufacturer the German state has ownership of btw. |
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