Lets be honest, nobody could deliver leaving the EU, Boris will hve a few months in the limelight/spotlight/541t, call a GE, we'll end up with another coalition government and he'll get some role(s) in various businesses, he hardly needs the money.

Party politics, at the moment, is dead. Conservative/Labour, you cant put a cigarette paper between them on CURRENT policy.

As for democracy, it has never existed, I have worked for many years with governmemt departments (local and national), we think we vote for change, but all we vote for is a different head of the same snake.

Where on earth are you getting that from?!

True enough, Labour have no policies.

Here we go again - change of user name, same old infantile bollox.

I think they could have, if there had been some specifics on ‘... and do what/go where?’. However, with those mundane specifics and acknowledgements of reality, the Leave campaign would have probably fallen flat. Leave had something solid to attack, whereas there were no clear plans for leaving - making them hard to attack but even harder to implement.

Although it wasn’t to my taste, May’s deal addressed the realities and difficulties of the process. Unfortunately, the likes of Rees-Mogg and IDS want a swashbuckling political fantasy and so were unwilling to accept their prize. And the new plan is to adopt a can-do optimistic spirit, but with no more specifics or realism than in 2016.

How can ANY Tory supporter say that






Boris, on the steps of no 10 yesterday, was coming up with all sorts of stuff, none of which is Tory policy, yet.
The none costed spend is something that would have even made Corbyn blush.

Sad or hilarious, you decide.

Which the EU have, entirely predictably, rejected in the last hour.

Of course they have. They are using brinkmanship.We have to hold our nerve like they've been doing. That is until they gave us another deadline when push came to shove. The Germans will not allow no deal they have too much to lose. What did you expect them to do give in after 24 hours of Boris?

Not this same old rubbish please. It is 27 countries to 1 they are not going to cave in.

Like what?

But they’ve also got a massive amount to lose by capitulating and offering the sort of deal that might be acceptable to the ERG hardliners.

The withdrawal agreement is pretty much exactly in line with sensible expectations based on May’s red lines and there is no sign of BJ dropping those. If countries leaving are allowed to cherry pick then they’ll all leave and then there’d be no EU.

The Irish border problem could be kicked down the road, i suppose. But the current backstop is just one of three unpopular choices. Ultimately there has to be a customs union, or we have to abandon the Good Friday agreement and have a border in Ireland, or we have to have different rules in NI and GB. Whichever way we choose to jump, we might as well do it now as later. I understand wanting to leave options on the table, but when they’re all so unpalatable i’m not sure it is hugely valuable.

27 percent of all Germans car exports are to the UK. And as us ,Germany and France are the only nett contributors to the EU coffers the small matter of 39 billion quid.