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Yes, the irony of the right wing media getting all snowflake when they have spent years fermenting bigotry & hatred against the EU, immigrants, Remainers & MPs, which has resulted in verbal, social media & physical abuse (&, sadly, death) from their fan base.

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Will Camelot still operate EuroMillions after Brexit?

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Quote: MGarbutt1986 "Will Camelot still operate EuroMillions after Brexit?'"


That will be the least of our worries.
Never mind who will run is, will you still be able to enter Euro millions and would you still want to ?

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Quote: MGarbutt1986 "Will Camelot still operate EuroMillions after Brexit?'"

Perhaps we will scrap it & operate a progressive tax system instead to fund society?

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Quote: tigertot "Perhaps we will scrap it & operate a progressive tax system instead to fund society?'"

we have a progressive enough system as it is, thanks.

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After bribing the D.U.P. to cling to power, now they're going to entice Labour M.P's with extra cash for rldeprived areasrl

Oh the sweet irony, if only they'd done that years ago we wouldn't have this fiasco.

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "After bribing the D.U.P. to cling to power, now they're going to entice Labour M.P's with extra cash for rldeprived areasrl

Oh the sweet irony, if only they'd done that years ago we wouldn't have this fiasco.'"


You couldn't make this stuff up, it's brilliant, NOT.

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Can we come out of the Eurovision Song Contest at the same time as leaving the EU? PLEASE !!!!

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I see the Airbus UK head is on Marr - Brexit was a bit of smokescreen for other serious issues in that business

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I see the Airbus UK head is on Marr - Brexit was a bit of smokescreen for other serious issues in that business'"


I agree
Some of our manufacturers, particularly the car makers, had to make some decisions to deal with a general decline in demand, especially for diesel motors which are becoming extinct.
However, the uncertainty around Brexit, certainly makes any of these decisions far easier and the absolute lunacy of companies who cannot export much further than the EU boundaries (slight irony here) as they dont know what tariffs, if any, will apply, when their goods reach their destination in 5 weeks time.
There will be those who think that they will be ok, only for shipping and customs delays to cause financial headaches.

While Mrs May goes back and forth to Brussels, pretending that she is improving the deal, enhancing the back stop arrangements, business is left floundering.

I wonder just how many jobs may be lost in the Brexit wasteland.

Some Brexit voters were called idiots for "not knowing what they were voting for" and its clear now that, regardless of what we voted for, NOBODY is getting what they wanted and to have our exporters now having to put their businesses on hold is economic suicide and just what do we expect of the overseas clients ?
Should they wait for the UK to sort themselves out, especially if the deadline is expected OR, are they likely to source their goods elsewhere.

It's a fecking joke and our politicians couldn't give a toss, some are actually enjoying it d040.gif

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We are getting very close to the point where it is worse than I expected.

I think because it has been such a prolonged process of getting nowhere, there’s a been a bit of creeping normalcy to it.

If you could go back to 2016 and explain what the situation is with 40 days to B-day, I imagine there’d be widespread incredulity and dismay. Rather than just the sense of resigned disappointment that seems to be pervading the country now. Even the ERG’s maniacal wrecking tactics have a desultory air to them now.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I see the Airbus UK head is on Marr - Brexit was a bit of smokescreen for other serious issues in that business'"

I didn't watch but from comments it seems Marr was desperately trying to pin the decline of the A380 on Brexit?

It's been common knowledge in the industry for years that the A380 was a dead duck. Even a proposed A380 'neo' couldn't save it.

Very simply, advances in engine technology (and size) on the new generation of wide-body twin-engine aircraft meant it was too expensive, and far more profitable aircraft with only 2 engines can now cover the same range.

Other factors didn't help. It could only operate into airports with long enough runways and with expensively expanded gate facilities. Its sheer size meant seats often had to be sold for pennies. Emirates have trashed many markets with their overcapacity.

It's a shame. I love the A380, it's spacious and quiet (unlike the high density seating of the newer aircraft); an astonishing piece of engineering. I've been around Lufthansa's Frankfurt A380 hangar many times. But it simply doesn't fit today's aviation market.

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Quote: Cronus "I didn't watch but from comments it seems Marr was desperately trying to pin the decline of the A380 on Brexit?'"


"I didn't watch it and therefore don't know what was said, but here's a defence of it anyway, just in case...?" icon_lol.gif

He actually didn't do that - and she didn't blame Brexit either; she did however, when asked, say that No Deal would be absolutely catastrophic for them - and intimated that if that happened, they'd have to carefully consider investments in the UK in future. She also said that the company had already spent tens of millions of Euros preparing for that eventuality, primarily in stockpiling parts.

Meanwhile, despite the Brexiteers apparent indifference to job losses, you'll be pleased to know that her assessment was that even in the worst case scenario, job losses would be many years down the line due to the size of their order book.

It was actually a very measured and informative discussion - made a nice change.

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Quote: bren2k ""I didn't watch it and therefore don't know what was said, but here's a defence of it anyway, just in case...?"
I wonder at what point after we have left the EU (assuming that we do) and the happened to be the much anticipated downturn in the UK ecconomy, the Brexit mob would actually stick their hands up and admit that they got it wrong and that although "leaving on principle" was a good thing, we are all, indeed, going to be worse off.

You have to love how the Brexitiers are now comparing The UK economy to the EU average growth, when, not too long ago, we used to measure ourselves against the top economies in the world.

We all know that there are some basket cases in the EU and one or two corrupt governments but, with Trump lining his own pockets, to the detriment of his country and many of the "hard line" Brexitiers doing the same, just when do these people ever consider the masses or, is it just plain naïve to expect that they give a toss about anyone, other than themselves.

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Quote: bren2k ""I didn't watch it and therefore don't know what was said, but here's a defence of it anyway, just in case...?" Well there you go icon_biggrin.gif

Which is precisely why I included the disclaimer that I hadn't watched (and it wasn't on iplayer at that time). In my defence social media was full of folk blasting Marr for trying to pin Brexit on all sorts of things but it simply reconfirms my long-held belief that folk are idiots.

Hopefully you learned something about the A380 anyway. icon_smile.gif

I caught up today and as you say, a balanced discussion. I think we're all aware no deal would have far-reaching and damaging consequences, which is why it's crucial our politicians stop fannying around with their petty agendas and get their sht together.

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