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We have been a major arms supplier to all sort of regimes over many decades and still are. What is your view on Yemen or don’t they count because it is only the weapons and expertise we supply which has resulted in the death of many civilians.
We intend to trade with any country regardless of their human rights record what do you think of that. I would not be surprised if we are all over China for a trade deal don’t you.

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Quote: Superblue "Which side of that argument would you say the Iraqi people were on at the time?
Depends whether they were a Sunni or a Shiite? They have only be fighting each other for 12,000 years - why did we think Sadaam would become a threat to world order - seriously?

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "We have been a major arms supplier to all sort of regimes over many decades and still are. What is your view on Yemen or don’t they count because it is only the weapons and expertise we supply which has resulted in the death of many civilians.
We intend to trade with any country regardless of their human rights record what do you think of that. I would not be surprised if we are all over China for a trade deal don’t you.'"


Every civilised economy in the world wants to do a deal with China - if you didn't want to do trade deals with countries that abuse their citizens you would be pretty limited in who you could trade with. Any Muslim country would be out of the question, most of Africa the same, does the Caste system in India fall into that? Russia - where is left?

We supply weapons to virtually every country in the world - are you suggesting we cease doing this because some despots use them to maintain order/control?

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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "if you didn't want to do trade deals with countries that abuse their citizens you would be pretty limited in who you could trade with. Any Muslim country would be out of the question'"

Just leaving that there. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Lmao. You all realise that Labour gave weapons to Indonesia to use on their own people don’t you? Oh and Labour also supplied Iraq with weapons back in the day. Also supplied China with weapons when they were under a EU embargo for arms. What about when Labour supplied Israel’s weapons for close to 10 years when they were bombing neighbours for no reason. Or when they supplied Pakistan with bombs to bomb innocent people in India.

Typical Labour supporters. Have no clue whatsoever. As I’ve said before, this is why no one votes for Labour. The scummiest party ever and thankfully people realise it.

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I know you should just ignore the troll but one can only assume the poster currently known as Steph votes for the Green party or CND representatives, or the Lib Dems.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "I know you should just ignore the troll but one can only assume the poster currently known as Steph votes for the Green party or CND representatives, or the Lib Dems.'"


He's so anti-capitalist and anti-weapons sales that he couldn't possibly vote Tory.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Just leaving that there.
Absolutely stand by that comment - any religion that consider females less valuable than males is an issue for me, any religion that accepts honour killings as acceptable again is an issue for me. Any religion that thinks intimate physical relations between the same sex is punishable by death is also an issue for me - I am leaving that there.

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Quote: Steph Curry "Lmao. You all realise that Labour gave weapons to Indonesia to use on their own people don’t you? Oh and Labour also supplied Iraq with weapons back in the day. Also supplied China with weapons when they were under a EU embargo for arms. What about when Labour supplied Israel’s weapons for close to 10 years when they were bombing neighbours for no reason. Or when they supplied Pakistan with bombs to bomb innocent people in India.

Typical Labour supporters. Have no clue whatsoever. As I’ve said before, this is why no one votes for Labour. The scummiest party ever and thankfully people realise it.'"


No private companies will have supplied weapons to potentially lethal despots whilst Labour were in government but I doubt very much that the Labour party increased their funds by selling a few rifles and grenades.

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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "Absolutely stand by that comment - any religion that consider females less valuable than males is an issue for me, any religion that accepts honour killings as acceptable again is an issue for me. Any religion that thinks intimate physical relations between the same sex is punishable by death is also an issue for me - I am leaving that there.'"

You've not read the bible have you.

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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "Absolutely stand by that comment - any religion that consider females less valuable than males is an issue for me, any religion that accepts honour killings as acceptable again is an issue for me. Any religion that thinks intimate physical relations between the same sex is punishable by death is also an issue for me - I am leaving that there.'"


Have you taken a peek into the history of the Catholic religion or Church of England.
Granted they havent gone for honour killings but, they certainly dont treat women equally and let's not even go towards their exploits with young boys or young unmarried pregnant girls. d040.gif

How about "castratos" in the Catholic church too and for what ??

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Have you taken a peek into the history of the Catholic religion or Church of England.
Granted they havent gone for honour killings but, they certainly dont treat women equally and let's not even go towards their exploits with young boys or young unmarried pregnant girls. All religion is man made and about power and control. Most of them, however, have at least tried to move on from the middle ages. Haven't seen many beheadings, stonings or homosexuals thrown off tall buildings in this country recently.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "You've not read the bible have you.'"


I don't anywhere in the bible where same sex relationships are punishable by death - I don't see any Christian country that practises that - maybe I'm wrong?

I don't think in the bible it suggests honour killing your daughter is not only allowed but positively encouraged - again perhaps I'm wrong.

Good job Monty Python didn't do a life of Brian on Mohammed - do you think Salman Rushdie was have got the same response if his book was about Christianity?

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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "I don't anywhere in the bible where same sex relationships are punishable by death - I don't see any Christian country that practises that - maybe I'm wrong?

I don't think in the bible it suggests honour killing your daughter is not only allowed but positively encouraged - again perhaps I'm wrong.

Good job Monty Python didn't do a life of Brian on Mohammed - do you think Salman Rushdie was have got the same response if his book was about Christianity?'"


Leviticus 20:13
“If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.'

This is the old testament though, and although homosexuality is never acceptable in Christianity, it is not punishable by death in the new testament.

As for honour killings... Again from the old testament:
Deuteronomy 22

20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

Again, this wasn't really condoned in the new testament.

The fact is, all religions are usually violent and oppressive if followed orthodoxicly. Ask the Muslims in Myanmar if they think Buddhism is a peaceful religion for example. So it's not just as simple as saying one is any worse then any other, especially when there's so many other factors that motivates someone to do something.

It's also important to realise Islam is approximately 600 years 'younger' than Christianity, and at approximately the same point in Christian history the Spanish inquisition was taking place in Europe, so it doesn't necessarily mean Islam won't go through the same reforms as Christianity has. Having said that, it could be argued that those reforms were a result of social and economic changes, as opposed to religious modernisation.

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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "I don't anywhere in the bible where same sex relationships are punishable by death - I don't see any Christian country that practises that - maybe I'm wrong?

I don't think in the bible it suggests honour killing your daughter is not only allowed but positively encouraged - again perhaps I'm wrong.

Good job Monty Python didn't do a life of Brian on Mohammed - do you think Salman Rushdie was have got the same response if his book was about Christianity?'"

I think you're confusing where a country is in the march towards secularism and inherent problems with one religion more than another.

They're all terrible, all have deeply unpleasant and bloody pasts and I view with deep suspicion anyone who genuinely believes in them.

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Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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