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Quote: Durham Giant "Because other than keeping a few foreigners out Britain will get absolutely nothing out of leaving Europe no £350 million for the NHS no real control over the economy because we will still be doing most things through Europe nothing nada.

But still we can tell a lot of East Europeans you are not coming in.

The huge argument going on in the Tory party about what is important in terms of the Brexit discussions is fascinating with some such as Liam Fox saying nothing is more important than controlling immigration and others such as the chancellor saying no the economy comes first.'"


Despite all the hot air and the "leave" brigade saying that Europe need us just as much as we need them, I just cant see us staying out of the "single market".
A weaker pound makes exporting more attractive but, balancing this with currency inflation is like walking through a mine field.
There are dark clouds gathering and it's time that we saw some strong leadership and direction from the Government.

Drifting along until a deal is sorted will put the economy into a nose dive.

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Finding it a bit funny that for the last five months or so, leavers have been telling everyone "It's democracy, get over it!" to those questioning them.

Today they are all up in arms. Guess what? "It's democracy, get over it!"

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Quote: TheButcher "Finding it a bit funny that for the last five months or so, leavers have been telling everyone "It's democracy, get over it!" to those questioning them.

Today they are all up in arms. Guess what? "It's democracy, get over it!"'"


At least there may now be some open discussion in parliament about where the country should be going because, up to now its all been threat and counter threat and broken promises all round and due to the cross party nature of the "remainers" and "brexiteers", nobody can or will ever be held to account.

I had to smile, watching Question Time last week, when the Tory on the panel said that we would use our influence within Europe to put pressure on Russia over the Syria situation !
If it wasn't such a sad statement, it would have been hilarious.

Churchill once used the phrase "Lions led by Donkeys"

There dont seem to be any lions on either side so its more Donkeys led by Asses, although leadership of any kind has completely disappeared.

The Country is just floating like driftwood and likely to finish all washed up, destination unknown.

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nothings changed, still going ahead with it. just another hurdle to pass over to slow the process again!

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Quote: brearley84 "nothings changed, still going ahead with it. just another hurdle to pass over to slow the process again!'"


No nothing's changed, only the Tories are now heading for the Supreme Court to try & overturn a point of law.

No nothing's changed, yet if they lose next time, they will no longer be able to implement their own brand of Brexit. They will then have to listen to the whole house & the dreaded other place

No nothing's changed, yet TRESemme may have to call a snap General Election.

Remember the referendum result was purely advisory.

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Be interesting to see how UKIP react if it ends up being stopped by the Lords , you could see a huge surge in support for them , especially if they went into an election on a ' dissolve the second house ' ticket

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Brexit means Brexit. But the point is this means at least half a dozen things to different people. The word Boot can be used referring to a computer a car or even your foot. As wrencat point out we are drifting rudderless at present. The High Court ruling points out the supremacy of Parliament. It's rather ironic people then don't want proper debate and clarity on what a Brexit actually is or it to be scrutinised and agreed by Parliament. We a least need to agree on what terms we actually want to seek. It doesn't undermine the negotiations but sets out clear parameters. At present no one knows what we are seeking to achieve.

What this decision and the government reaction to it sort of proves is the government really don't have a clear plan as to what they want to achieve in implementing this. They are terrified of setting out the key parameters as the leave campaign was not a clearly defined objective it meant different things to different people. As soon as you state what your parameters are some of your supporters start to question if they are getting everything they wanted. The government will need to set out if they want to be in the single market or have more restrictive barriers. In some respects this is a good thing as any negotiation is a compromise and no matter what your political considerations if we are to leave it should be in the interests of the whole country and not just a few (in government or positions of influence).

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And right on cue, Gina Miller, who led the legal challenge to obtain Parliamentary consent, is now receiving death threats. Delightful.

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Quote: bren2k "And right on cue, Gina Miller, who led the legal challenge to obtain Parliamentary consent, is now receiving death threats. Delightful.'"


The one thing that has been achieved with the Brexit vote and it's undeniable, politics has actually gone downhill.
Before, during and after the vote, we have witnessed lies, deceit and hate at a whole new (and disturbing) level.

The ruling yesterday is only a technicality and will cause delay to the departure from the EU and may even force another general election.
However, although I was a "remain", not implementing the result of the referendum would be utterly wrong, although I feel that many, many people have begun to realise that extracting ourselves from the EU, is far more complicated than anyone could have imagined.

For any legal minds out there, is it possible that while we are still within the EU, the next appeal could be taken to to the European Court icon_biggrin.gif

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Now that would be ironic. Now if the Euro court upheld the decision the reaction in the press will be priceless. Currently we have the press that sometimes thinks itself above the law admonishing the letter of the law. Can't see the Government going that far as would only add more delay, more cost and probably quite embarassing.

Would be surprised if the Supreme Court do not uphold the judgement already given. Then we get a more balanced and sensible consideration of what our exit actual is and how it is implemented. While there is the technical ability to hamper any decision, maybe a few delays but ultimately it being introduced. Longer term a clearer more engaged Parliament in the decision on our exit will help to reduce the divisions that there currently are in the country.

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The frothing at the mouth displayed by the tabloids today has hit new levels. Even if Article 50 has to be voted for by parliament there's little to no chance of it not going through. Most MPs have already accepted the referendum decision. I'd say the likes of Murdoch, Desmond and Rothermere are more concerned that they may not get the hard Brexit they want for some reason.

The emotive language used is way OTT. To say it's the gravest crisis since 1940 is ridiculous.

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Quote: Bullseye "The frothing at the mouth displayed by the tabloids today has hit new levels. Even if Article 50 has to be voted for by parliament there's little to no chance of it not going through. Most MPs have already accepted the referendum decision. I'd say the likes of Murdoch, Desmond and Rothermere are more concerned that they may not get the hard Brexit they want for some reason.

The emotive language used is way OTT. To say it's the gravest crisis since 1940 is ridiculous.'"


The UK press make our politicians look honourable.
They used to call the Tabloids the "gutter press" but we should look at the owners of these publications not just the news print.
Everyone likes to read a decent story but, these days the content is heavily manipulated to create an angle, making it more and more difficult to discern the truth.

As you say, there would be a revolt if Parliament doesn't carry out the wishes of the people but, with the possibility of a snap election, this could drag on and on and regardless of which side of the fence you are on, the Country and the people within it, need stability, which is the one thing badly missing at present.

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All the Remoaners feigned worry about the fate of the economy in the event of Brexit. Now they cheer a court case which will damage the economy due to prolonging the Brexit process and extending the period of uncertainty. This at a time when even chief Remoaner Carney suggests the economy was set to grow at twice the expected rate next year. Unless this is knocked on the head quickly we will have years of economic turmoil and the real possibility of serious civil unrest. The Remoaners are doing nobody a favour, least of all themselves.

As to different types of Brexit - it is all BS. The only Brexit we will have is the one we negotiate. All those calling for the govt to spell out what they are aiming for are dangerous idiots. If the government says "we are aiming for access to the single market without agreeing to regulations and free movement" does anybody seriously think 27 countries will give us that? On the other hand if we approach negotiations from a wholly different angle with that as the actual objective we could get it.

A Brexit with nothing changing in terms of free movement / acceptance of EU legislation / regulations would NOT be a Brexit at all. The starting point must be the willingness to accept "hard" Brexit - any other negotiating stance will get us nowhere.

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "No nothing's changed, only the Tories are now heading for the Supreme Court to try & overturn a point of law.

No nothing's changed, yet if they lose next time, they will no longer be able to implement their own brand of Brexit. They will then have to listen to the whole house & the dreaded other place

No nothing's changed, yet TRESemme may have to call a snap General Election.

Remember the referendum result was purely advisory.'"


yep nothings changed, brexit still happening.

maybe a watered down brexit now though!

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