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Who pays national insurance? Working people.
Who votes Labour? Working people.

They're once again looking for younger people to pay for the costs of the destructive older generation who both had every advantage going over the past however many decades and who got us into the present state. Shameless really.

If we banned the retired from voting we'd be in a much better place as a country.

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Quote: wotsupcas "The answer is all of us to some degree. As for breaking a manifesto promise, come on, how on earth could they have predicted an expense like covid. Unless you are saying they should have had a crystal ball.'"


This has nothing to do with a crystal ball and the increasing national debt, due to covid etc is still to be tackled.
The proposed increase in NI is purely to tackle the welfare crisis. There will be (way) more to come in terms of "tax" increases to pay down the substantially increased national debt.
Some of us have been suggesting for many months that, only when the debt is being cleared, will we find out Johnson and Sunak's strategy for paying down the debt.
The NI change is just the tip of the iceberg.
Vat is likely to be more palatable that any income tax hike but, we will soon see how "levelling up" actually works icon_surprised.gifops:

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Who pays national insurance? Working people.
Who votes Labour? Working people.

They're once again looking for younger people to pay for the costs of the destructive older generation who both had every advantage going over the past however many decades and who got us into the present state. Shameless really.

If we banned the retired from voting we'd be in a much better place as a country.'"

I work and pay national insurance and don't vote Labour.
When I was younger I suppose I was paying for MY destructive older generation.
Swings and roundabouts.

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Quote: wotsupcas "I work and pay national insurance and don't vote Labour.
When I was younger I suppose I was paying for MY destructive older generation.
Swings and roundabouts.'"

Don't be obtuse. If only people of working age had voted the Tories would have lost the last election.

And I don't think we've ever had an older generation so well off who have benefitted from so many policies that they've then taken away from younger people, be it the benefits of the EU right down to free university education.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Don't be obtuse. If only people of working age had voted the Tories would have lost the last election.

And I don't think we've ever had an older generation so well off who have benefitted from so many policies that they've then taken away from younger people, be it the benefits of the EU right down to free university education.'"

Why am I being obtuse? I didn't have a free university education. I also had no free child care.. My wife had to stay at home to look after them. We had to live on one wage.
Like I said swings and roundabouts

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "
Who votes Labour? Working people.
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Not so much anymore....

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Quote: 100% Wire "Not so much anymore....'"

More than ever if anything. The Tories only got in last time because of the pensioner vote. People of working ages skewed massively to Labour.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "More than ever if anything. The Tories only got in last time because of the pensioner vote. People of working ages skewed massively to Labour.'"

Absolute rubbish d040.gif

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Quote: JONNYGIANT "Absolute rubbish Do you find figures a challenge?

The splits by age group are really not hard to find.

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Of working age is not necessarily working people

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Do you find figures a challenge?

The splits by age group are really not hard to find.'"

I've looked at the YouGov website mate ,under the age of 34 ,were more likely to have voted Labour, above that Tory

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Labour only seem interested in race and gender politics these days. Not really a concern for 99% of people

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "More than ever if anything. The Tories only got in last time because of the pensioner vote. People of working ages skewed massively to Labour.'"


More likely to be Labours shambollic Brexit policy and a leader that very few wanted anywhere near no 10.
Yes, the Tories do have a very strong share of the "silver" vote but, hopefully that may change when the financial screw is turned and everyone will be affected.
The triple lock will be gone and as we are now seeing, their manifesto doesn't count for too much.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "More likely to be Labours shambollic Brexit policy and a leader that very few wanted anywhere near no 10.
Yes, the Tories do have a very strong share of the "silver" vote but, hopefully that may change when the financial screw is turned and everyone will be affected.
The triple lock will be gone and as we are now seeing, their manifesto doesn't count for too much.'"

That is bang on ,brexit policy and Corbyn drove the working man to Tory,can't see w why people can't understand that icon_confused.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "More likely to be Labours shambollic Brexit policy and a leader that very few wanted anywhere near no 10.
Yes, the Tories do have a very strong share of the "silver" vote but, hopefully that may change when the financial screw is turned and everyone will be affected.
The triple lock will be gone and as we are now seeing, their manifesto doesn't count for too much.'"

We'll see about pensions but National Insurance is a tax chosen precisely because pensioners don't pay it.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "More likely to be Labours shambollic Brexit policy and a leader that very few wanted anywhere near no 10.
Yes, the Tories do have a very strong share of the "silver" vote but, hopefully that may change when the financial screw is turned and everyone will be affected.
The triple lock will be gone and as we are now seeing, their manifesto doesn't count for too much.'"


That is bang on ,brexit policy and Corbyn drove the working man to Tory,can't see w why people can't understand that
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