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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Another fine bit of whataboutery.'"

What on earth are you talking about?
Even when I'm agreeing with you, you are that blinkered you still have a go.

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I noted that when asked about the cost of living crisis he offered nothing but to suggest we have to lump it but when those high skilled high paid jobs come along everything will be ok. What an absolute waste of a human he is, stuff the less fortunate but yet sadly many will still believe him.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Sorry Chis.
Rather than (alleged) flare, he'd be better off swallowing the truth pill and doing something meaningful about the cost of living crisis.
10% inflation, plus interest rate hikes will certainly make the public sector pay settlements interesting.

As usual, the MP's will be ok but, the rest will be expected to accept 2% if they are lucky.

Expect the "we're all in this together" nonsense coming out again.

Strikes in the Autumn anyone ?'"


What will they strike about?? Do unions still exist?

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Quote: wotsupcas "What on earth are you talking about?
Even when I'm agreeing with you, you are that blinkered you still have a go.'"

It's his automatic defence mode if it helps a026.gif

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Early indications suggest labours less than impressed in the elections.
Symbolic wins is now looking like the strap line.
Boris is so lucky to have KS opposite him

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Quote: wire-quin "What will they strike about?? Do unions still exist?'"


Well, with public sector wages having been suppressed for the last 10+ years and raging inflation, there will be some pretty disgruntled staff.
They will either move on or perhaps feel the need to take action and yes, unions do still exist.

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Quote: wire-quin "Early indications suggest labours less than impressed in the elections.
Symbolic wins is now looking like the strap line.
Boris is so lucky to have KS opposite him'"

There were/are two things I was looking for in the Labour performance:
What happens in Scotland, recovery there is absolutely fundamental to them becoming largest party in the next parliament. We'll see later.

Then there's the so-called Red Wall. If these areas behaved like they did in the 2019 General Election Labour would be losing lots of seats. As it stands they seem to have held up pretty well which is comforting for them to a degree - replayed in a General they would win quite a few seats back.

Overall the best Labour can aim for is still to be the largest party in the Commons next time. Given how toxic the Tories are they should then be able to cobble together a confidence/supply arrangement with LDs, SNP, SDLP and Alliance.

The Tories have lost something like 20% of the seats they were defending which is pretty calamitous really. The real winners are the Greens, and especially the Lib Dems icon_biggrin.gif The latter is important as many gains have come at the expense of the Tories in affluent places where that party's English nationalism is not a good sell.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "There were/are two things I was looking for in the Labour performance
If I was one of your lot I would not be interested in any other parties performances only that of my own which for you is the Lib Dems, shouldn't you be worried about your own party going very close to extinction instead of worrying what's happening in Scotland where clearly most of them don't want to be part of the UK.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Well, with public sector wages having been suppressed for the last 10+ years and raging inflation, there will be some pretty disgruntled staff.
They will either move on or perhaps feel the need to take action and yes, unions do still exist.'"

Quite clearly, you only have to look at the P&O debacle to see just how sharp the unions teeth are.

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Quote: chissitt "If I was one of your lot I would not be interested in any other parties performances only that of my own which for you is the Lib Dems, shouldn't you be worried about your own party going very close to extinction instead of worrying what's happening in Scotland where clearly most of them don't want to be part of the UK.'"
What a strange post. Do you pay zero attention to the rest of Super League just because Wakefield are a bit rubbish at the moment?

Also, in case you hadn't noticed, the Liberal Democrats are the biggest winners from the evening.

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I know this cuts two ways, but it is funny to see the Tory-leaning part of the usually metropolitan-focused media playing down the importance of London.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "What a strange post. Do you pay zero attention to the rest of Super League just because Wakefield are a bit rubbish at the moment?

Also, in case you hadn't noticed, the Liberal Democrats are the biggest winners from the evening.'"

Yes it is a strange post, asking me if I pay zero attention to the rest of super league just because we are a bit rubbish at the moment, do you pay zero attention about Leeds because they are also seriously rubbish at the moment, a strange response from you indeed icon_rolleyes.gif

Thanks for the heads up as I hadn't noticed the lib-dems are the biggest winners, can't for the life of me understand how this has got past me or why you find it more exciting for the labour lot to be in the ascendancy when your mob has done so wonderfully well.

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Quote: wire-quin "Early indications suggest labours less than impressed in the elections.
Symbolic wins is now looking like the strap line.
Boris is so lucky to have KS opposite him'"


Are you sure about the first part ?
The Tory line was that if they lost fewer than 800 seats then it would be an ok night.

However, it was nigh on impossible for them to lose 800 seats, they only had around 1000 to lose icon_surprised.gifops:
By comparison, Labour had around 1600 seats.
Never mind, they will have even fewer to lose next time around.

Also, regarding the alleged KIer Starmer "beer and curry night", it seems that there is a whole load of noise being made on this, probably to try and deflect what's coming form the Sue Gray report. You do remember her dont you icon_surprised.gifops: There's a whole very brown mud (polite word) storm coming, I cant wait.

More pain, more fines and hopefully , goodbye Boris.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Are you sure about the first part ?
The Tory line was that if they lost fewer than 800 seats then it would be an ok night.

However, it was nigh on impossible for them to lose 800 seats, they only had around 1000 to lose
Personally I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing about partygate, as Im sure millions of others are too. There are far more concerning matters going on in the world right now.
I'm also not happy with the Tories and some of their policies regarding the the push for zero emissions. Especially when the UK only produces just one percent of global emissions whilst China and India between them produce between 30 and 40 percent. However, I still will not vote labour in its current form, even though I always did from the 1970s onwards. What the labour party has become is a million miles away from what it stood for and represented in the past. In my opinion it no longer represents the working class but instead now represents the London elite, it has in effect become London centric. It has totally lost touch with its working class Northern heartlands and I cant see that changing anytime soon. I would go as far as to say that this is the worst labour opposition that I can remember in 50 years of voting, the quality of some of their MPs is dire to say the least. My deceased family members would be turning in their graves if they could see what labour has become. Starmer in particular must the most boring uncharismatic person I've come across as a leader of the opposition in the past 50 years. He's also a hypocrite of the highest order. So, until Labour can re connect with its Northern heartlands, including accepting Brexit, and changes its leader to someone like the late John Smith, who was in my opinion the best leader labour ever had and would have made a great PM, they won't get a big enough of a swing to form a government.

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Wow has someone inadvertently plugged rlfans into Conservative Central Office's "desperate talking points" feed?

But to pluck just one out of that little lot, just imagine being really, really angry about policies to clean up the environment and reduce reliance on fossil fuels (have you seen the prices recently?!). If I didn't think it was a parody it would be hilarious.

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