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| Quote: Horatio Yed "It could get another if the DVD does well eg Taken flopped at the cinema but went massive on DVD.'"
The blu ray is doing very well apparently. Got mine this week did you get yours? I see the movie props from Dredd are up for auction now.
Oh. yeah there is talk of a tv show too
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| Quote: JACK DETH "The blu ray is doing very well apparently. Got mine this week did you get yours? I see the movie props from Dredd are up for auction now.
Oh. yeah there is talk of a tv show too'"
Couldn't find it in HMV today... I'm going to blindly just assume that's a good thing!
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| As a long-time 2000AD fan, I loved Dredd; it did much to expunge the horror show that was the crappy Stallone vehicle.
Shame it came out around the same time as The Raid - a low budget, Indonesian martial arts movie, that had virtually the same plot and turned out to be a cracker; maybe stole some of the limelight?
Dredd 2 looks set to take place in Cursed Earth and feature Judge Death - hopefully it will continue to be faithful to the comics.
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| Not particularly a fan of Quentin Tarantino's movies but I did enjoy Django Unchained . I found the scene of the pre KKK riders complaining about their eye holes quite funny , Python esq even . Christoph Waltz again plays a very good part as I enjoyed his part in Basterds.
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| Quote: TaxingChimp "Couldn't find it in HMV today... I'm going to blindly just assume that's a good thing!'"
Amazon for me.
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| Quote: bren2k "As a long-time 2000AD fan, I loved Dredd; it did much to expunge the horror show that was the crappy Stallone vehicle.
Shame it came out around the same time as The Raid - a low budget, Indonesian martial arts movie, that had virtually the same plot and turned out to be a cracker; maybe stole some of the limelight?
Dredd 2 looks set to take place in Cursed Earth and feature Judge Death - hopefully it will continue to be faithful to the comics.'"
Watched Dredd last night. While I certainly enjoyed it, it wasn't very...Dredd? If that makes sense? Just came across as a high-tech cop adventure to me, with familiar uniforms. Good, but lacked something.
Mega City One was too low-rise and not intense enough and we learnt almost nothing about Dredd or the Judges, or about anything really. Everything just happened before you knew it, with little background or character development.
Also, watched The Raid recently and had to chuckle at some of the similarities.
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| Quote: Cronus "Watched Dredd last night. While I certainly enjoyed it, it wasn't very...Dredd? If that makes sense? Just came across as a high-tech cop adventure to me, with familiar uniforms. Good, but lacked something.'"
Disagree. In my mind I had a different vission of Mega City One but I liked the grime and realism of the film's Mega City One. It put a different, dirty tint to it which isn't obvious from the comic's colourfulness.
Quote: Cronus "Everything just happened before you knew it, with little background or character development.'"
We did. We learned that Judge Anderson doesn't need to read Judge Dredd's mind because he is so consumed by his role. That was in there if you were looking. I didn't particularly want to watch an origin story about the history of Judges etc. Just get in there straight away like they did with [iDirty Harry[/i. Who needs all that milieu flannel? We're grown adults aren't we? We don't need a documentary of Mega City One because it's pretty obvious from the film what state society is in by that time. The audience is smarter than Hollywood gives them credit for.
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| Quote: McClennan "Disagree. In my mind I had a different vission of Mega City One but I liked the grime and realism of the film's Mega City One. It put a different, dirty tint to it which isn't obvious from the comic's colourfulness.'"
We'll have to disagree. For me, Mega City One should remain faithful to the concept of 2000AD and exactly how millions have pictured it since reading the comics; a chaotic, neon-lit swarm of buildings.
Hate to say it, but Stallone's version was more faithful to the concept.
Quote: McClennan "We did. We learned that Judge Anderson doesn't need to read Judge Dredd's mind because he is so consumed by his role. That was in there if you were looking. I didn't particularly want to watch an origin story about the history of Judges etc. Just get in there straight away like they did with [iDirty Harry[/i. Who needs all that milieu flannel? We're grown adults aren't we? We don't need a documentary of Mega City One because it's pretty obvious from the film what state society is in by that time. The audience is smarter than Hollywood gives them credit for.'"
Did I say I wanted an origin story? No. What I'd like though, is to feel something for the protagonists I'm supposed to relate to and feel something for. Whether that;s via a back-story or emotional development or bits of both, I don't care. You, of all people, understand how character development in film works. I understand Dredd is generally portrayed as grim and faceless, but that makes for a pretty uninteresting character and I found it hard to care if anyone lived or died.
As I said, a good film but take away the Judge uniform and it could be any future cop action flick.
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| Quote: Cronus "What I'd like though, is to feel something for the protagonists I'm supposed to relate to and feel something for. Whether that;s via a back-story or emotional development or bits of both, I don't care. You, of all people, understand how character development in film works. I understand Dredd is generally portrayed as grim and faceless, but that makes for a pretty uninteresting character and I found it hard to care if anyone lived or died.'"
Dredd isn't a character though is he? He is the law and a representation of future faciscm not Frodo on a quest of destiny. Whenever you feel something for him its usually our own violent responses to justice being dished out behind the barrel of a gun. Judge Anderson is the heart, soul and character of [iDredd[/i not Dredd himself. Let's face it, he is his job. He is not there as a narrative tool in this story and I didn't think the film needed it which may be down to my own knowledge of Dredd so there was no need for me to find a way into it. I slotted seamlessly into in right from the beginning.
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| Quote: McClennan "Dredd isn't a character though is he? He is the law and a representation of future faciscm not Frodo on a quest of destiny. Whenever you feel something for him its usually our own violent responses to justice being dished out behind the barrel of a gun. Judge Anderson is the heart, soul and character of [iDredd[/i not Dredd himself. Let's face it, he is his job. He is not there as a narrative tool in this story and I didn't think the film needed it which may be down to my own knowledge of Dredd so there was no need for me to find a way into it. I slotted seamlessly into in right from the beginning.'"
Joseph Dredd has an extensive and interesting back-story going back to before his conception. Despite his outer shell he suffers from internal conflict at times and questions his role as a Judge, even quitting a few times. He is far from just a 'Judge'.
There's probably a whole generation who know very little of any of this, and probably just saw a shoot-'em-up.
Disagree about Anderson, she was a complimentary support character who only developed later. Dredd was the main protagonist of the comics.
And I even thought the choice of 'baddies' was poor. Spoiler When Dredd's enemies have included undead Judges, mutants, robots, entire armies and various terror weapons, it all felt a bit lame. I suppose it leads nicely towards the next film but left me unsatisfied.
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| Quote: Cronus "Joseph Dredd has an extensive and interesting back-story going back to before his conception. Despite his outer shell he suffers from internal conflict at times and questions his role as a Judge, even quitting a few times. He is far from just a 'Judge'.
There's probably a whole generation who know very little of any of this, and probably just saw a shoot-'em-up.
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I think you may be expecting too much from the first in what will undoubtedly become a franchise; I actually liked the fact that they didn't fall for the usual superhero film error of giving over the first 45 minutes to the protagonists origin story, and just got on with it; if it left you wanting to know more about Dredd, job done, you'll be positively salivating for the next one.
I very much approved of the self-contained nature of the story - it assumes that the audience is bright enough to work things out for themselves; if more comic-movie conversions were done that way, less of them would be garbage, which many of them are, with a few notable exceptions - this, for me, was one of them.
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| Quote: bren2k "I think you may be expecting too much from the first in what will undoubtedly become a franchise; I actually liked the fact that they didn't fall for the usual superhero film error of giving over the first 45 minutes to the protagonists origin story, and just got on with it; if it left you wanting to know more about Dredd, job done, you'll be positively salivating for the next one.
I very much approved of the self-contained nature of the story - it assumes that the audience is bright enough to work things out for themselves; if more comic-movie conversions were done that way, less of them would be garbage, which many of them are, with a few notable exceptions - this, for me, was one of them.'"
Well I disagree. It was a pretty vacuous story. Lots of guns and blood, little 'Dredd' substance.
And I don't know where you're getting the idea I want 45 minutes of an 'origin' story. I don't, never said I did. But character development is a golden rule of film-making, you need to connect and relate to the protagonists or you just don't care what happens. It can be done gradually, hinted at, revealed slowly, worked into the plot. There were teeny tiny pieces of this in Dredd but nothing to titilate.
And what about those who know little of Dredd? What was there to grab them unless they're familiar with the comics? I'd say very little. How can they be 'intelligent' enough to work things out if there's nothing given away? It's ok for us who grew up with 2000AD, we know who and what we're watching, but many people won't.
I enjoyed the film for what it was - a futuristic shoot 'em up. But it didn't leave me wanting more. Art is subjective so we don't have to agree but for me it was a mile away from the comic book vision.
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I'm a huge fan of Tarantino and I thought it was his best film since Pulp Fiction. It just seemed to ooze quality. Samuel L. Jackson's part reminded me of Waldorf from The Muppet Show for some reason.
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| Quote: Cronus "[I enjoyed the film for what it was - a futuristic shoot 'em up. But it didn't leave me wanting more. Art is subjective so we don't have to agree but for me it was a mile away from the comic book vision.'"
Fair play - I didn't see it that way myself.
I wonder if 2000AD will be mined for further movies? I understood that there was a Rogue Trooper film in the pipeline at one point, but not sure what happened with that. I've always thought Halo Jones could make a great movie, but given Alan Moore's ambivelant relationship with Hollywood, that seems unlikely; probably for the best - it could easily turn out to be another Tank Girl.
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| Quote: Cronus "And I even thought the choice of 'baddies' was poor. Spoiler When Dredd's enemies have included undead Judges, mutants, robots, entire armies and various terror weapons, it all felt a bit lame. I suppose it leads nicely towards the next film but left me unsatisfied.'"
You don't put your best storylines in the first film, well you don't when it's as epic as Judge Death. That'd be like putting The Joker in as your first villain in a Batman film and I don't think that works. If you're doing a franchise I like the idea of the first film setting the scene rather than putting all your cards on the table with the best characters because that kills any other follow-up films doesn't it? i.e. they'd be an anti-climax after Judge Death.
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