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| Quote: tb "Not employees, but possibly commissioned. And even if they're doing it on spec, they're relying on newspapers (and magazines) to buy the pics.'"
Come off it, your typical swarm of paps are out for the money shot. nobody commissions them, they only get paid by results meaning pictures viewed as worth buying by the media. But if say one oao [iwas[/i commissioned - how on earth would Sienna Miller, or anyone, ever know? The difficulty I am explaining is that practically there is no way to apprehend and identify the photographers.
Quote: tb "See above. Remove the market for their pics, remove their behaviour.'"
Well, yes, banning the entire press from ever publishing photographs of anything would indeed work.
Quote: tb "Unless they chase her into a Paris motorway tunnel...'"
No, she isn't likely to run into concrete columns, wherever they chase her.
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| 1. Walk away briskly with photographers following.
2. Check in shop window that they are very close.
3. Stop suddenly.
4. Sue for damages to back of head caused by ridiculously large camera lens.
5. Can be enhanced if carrying an umbrella pointing backwards.
6. Can be enhanced if camera operators are peering constantly through lens and you can choose a route that passes by an open manhole cover (admit I blagged this one from the Beano)
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| I sincerely hoppe we get a privacy law that prevents the publishing of photographs without the subjects permission. I also hope it covers photos of the subject with the face blurred.
I have zero sympathy with the media, their behaviour has lead to the situation whereby the must be curtailed. They have failed to self regulate, I suggest they be severely regulated and demonstrate they deserve greater freedoms in the future.
Is it not the case that the French have a privacy law preventing the taking of photos without consent in public. I believe it was demonstrated when a Pap photoed Eric Catona who promptly kicked his ass and took his camera off him. When the pap called the cops, he was told "merde dure".
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| Quote: Off! Number Seven "I sincerely hoppe we get a privacy law that prevents the publishing of photographs without the subjects permission.'"
I doubt you've thought that through.
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| Quote: Off! Number Seven "
Is it not the case that the French have a privacy law preventing the taking of photos without consent in public. I believe it was demonstrated when a Pap photoed Eric Catona who promptly kicked his ass and took his camera off him. When the pap called the cops, he was told "merde dure".'"
Shit lasts?
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Come off it, your typical swarm of paps are out for the money shot. nobody commissions them, they only get paid by results meaning pictures viewed as worth buying by the media. '"
Granted what the paps do is, by and large, not currently illegal, but the rags that buy their pictures are in a similar position to those who receive stolen goods, which I was always led to believe is a greater crime than the actual thieving.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "
No, she isn't likely to run into concrete columns, wherever they chase her.'"
No, but she might run into the path of Kate Middleton's onrushing Mercedes. In a few years when Phil has had enough of her, that is.
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| This is all IMHO ...
If someone walks or drives down the street then they are in public and cannot complain if their image is captured.
If, however, they are mobbed, harassed or chased (whether on foot or vehicles), that is vastly different.
Flash photography in a driver's face is dangerous behaviour.
A gaggle of paps outside someone's front gate is aggressive behaviour.
I read this morning about the Sun having printed a countdown to Charlotte Church's 16th birthday (the age of sexual consent).
I hadn't been aware of that .. another reason (if any more were needed) why I will never buy a copy of that rag or have any respect for its editor or proprietor.
Isn't it time for boycotts?
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| Quote: El Barbudo "... Isn't it time for boycotts?'"
They've been boycotting the [iSun[/i in Liverpool for some years over its reporting of Hillsborough and the Jamie Bulger case.
I don't think that, for many people, they see a connection between their buying a publication and the nature of its content.
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| It is easy for me to suggest a boycott but difficult for me to actually do it.
How can I boycott what I never buy anyway?
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| Rather than banning photo's/images i'd bring out a kind of royalties fee for using their image, at least make some money out of the paps and rags.
My main gripe is they can headline a paper with some complete ballcocks and then when made to apologise it's a tiny paragraph on page 37
I think that whatever page they 'lie' on should be the same page they apologise on and devote the same area, so one full page of lies = one full page apology
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| Quote: El Barbudo "I read this morning about the Sun having printed a countdown to Charlotte Church's 16th birthday (the age of sexual consent).
I hadn't been aware of that .. another reason (if any more were needed) why I will never buy a copy of that rag or have any respect for its editor or proprietor.
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I seem to recall hearing they did something similar for Emma "Hermione" Watson
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "My main gripe is they can headline a paper with some complete ballcocks and then when made to apologise it's a tiny paragraph on page 37
I think that whatever page they 'lie' on should be the same page they apologise on and devote the same area, so one full page of lies
Said pretty much the same myself yesterday while listening to Church give evidence
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| I don't think anyone would argue that the Press Complaints Commission has done a pretty sh[ii[/itty job at the self-regulation of UK newspapers, especially when you see that the publishers of the Express, Star and OK magazine no longer contribute to the funding and are effectively outside of its jurisdiction. We also have the laughable situation where Paul Dacre (Executive Editor of the Wail), is chair of the Editors' Code Committee - now that is like setting a fox among the chickens.
Unfortunately an independent body can never be truly independent, they will be appointed by politicians and then be subjected to all the wooing that the media barons have always undertaken. Perhaps a system of licensing could be introduced, alongside a system of penalty points, awarded for the various transgressions, whether brought before the courts or not. With financial penalties applied not just to the proprietors but also to the Executive Editors. Continued transgressions could then lead to further sanctions such as mandating a blank print run, where a newspaper must print and distribute a full edition, containing no advertising and nothing other than an apology, apart from the masthead. If a newspaper continues flouting the rules, then the ultimate sanction of suspension or revocation of the license could be applied.
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