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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I would agree May has been a disaster - only know have we seen Boris where are the rest of the front bench? The Tories performance is bordering on that of Michael Foot. Corbyn has had large rallies but only in very safe Labour seats.
It could be close so that will be interesting to see - if the Tories still have an overall majority that has to be the end for Corbyn because if he could defeat such an a lack lustre opposition then he is done. It is almost as if the Tories don't want to be responsible for the Brexit deal so would be happy to lose - I can't see any other reason for their abject performance. Labour's spending plans simply don't add - that is an easy target but the Tories haven't gone there - its bizarre. Maybe the polls are telling them they have it in the bag but its she/they have been terrible'"
Much as I dont like the guy, IF Corbyn gets anywhere close in this election, he will stay in charge.
Despite his lack of popularity in the media, the political campaign run by Labour, from 20 points back in the polls has been excellent and because of this Corbyn will stay.
He could well say tht, if you had backed him all along, Labour would have won the election and this may be true. Although, if the Tories hadn't taken the electorate for granted, trying to be everything to everybody, they should have cleane up, with a substantially increased majority.
Regarding Brexit (and I know there is a separate thread), everything is still looking like the UK will be squeezed by the other EU members and far from the "free access", which was spouted by the leave campaign, it seems clear that we will have to either pay a substantial figure or, possibly be left on WTO terms.
Despite all of May's tough talk, its becoming blatantly obvious that she is out of her depth both at home and on the international stage and even if the Tories regain power, I dont see her lasting too long at the helm. Again, rather ironic when you consider her excuse for calling an election.
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| Nothing Ironic about it, this is just your negative look forward based on negative thinking. There is nothing balanced about that post.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Much as I dont like the guy, IF Corbyn gets anywhere close in this election, he will stay in charge.
Despite his lack of popularity in the media, the political campaign run by Labour, from 20 points back in the polls has been excellent and because of this Corbyn will stay.
He could well say tht, if you had backed him all along, Labour would have won the election and this may be true. Although, if the Tories hadn't taken the electorate for granted, trying to be everything to everybody, they should have cleane up, with a substantially increased majority.
Regarding Brexit (and I know there is a separate thread), everything is still looking like the UK will be squeezed by the other EU members and far from the "free access", which was spouted by the leave campaign, it seems clear that we will have to either pay a substantial figure or, possibly be left on WTO terms.
Despite all of May's tough talk, its becoming blatantly obvious that she is out of her depth both at home and on the international stage and even if the Tories regain power, I dont see her lasting too long at the helm. Again, rather ironic when you consider her excuse for calling an election.'"
The Labour campaign is easy let's just give everyone everything its a question of credibility - its easy to make promises you know you will never have to deliver - the Lib Dems did it for years.
I completely agree the last paragraph - Gove has a lot to answer for - Boris would have won and he is on a different planet to May and he would have been more than a match for Corbyn.
Brexit has a long way to run and I doubt we will end up with WTO trading terms but I also doubt we will pay a huge bill just to sit at the table. The EU needs our money and that is our strongest bargaining tool. However I do wonder if May has lost her bottle for the fight.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "The EU needs our money and that is our strongest bargaining tool. '"
Does it, it's no doubt useful, but I honestly have no idea who will suffer the most. From what I have read;
The £230 billion exports of goods and services to other EU countries were worth about 12% of the value of the British economy in 2015. It’s been at around 13-15% over the past decade.
Exports from the rest of the EU to the UK were worth about 3-4% of the size of the remaining EU’s economy in 2015.
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| If Corby gets into Downing Street then we're the creak, no paddle, no canoe, no maps and a deluge of biblical proportions to wash us down stream.
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| Quote: Exiled down south "Nothing Ironic about it, this is just your negative look forward based on negative thinking. There is nothing balanced about that post.'"
Over 12 months on from the referendum, not one politician has been able to tell us that we will be any better off, in fact the opposite is true.
Yes, we will regain control of our borders and have the final say on our law making and if that's enough for you then great, crack on, really.
It is not negative to say that our trade with the EU is less certain than before the referendum, it's plain fact. But, if that makes you feel better, great.
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| Quote: Exiled down south "Why would we delay the election??
The Torys plans were costed in the Autumn statement or have you forgotten that occurred. They aren't going to take another path. There stall is set, clear and transparent.'"
That is just utter nonsense.
Where was the "dementia tax" in the Autumn statement.
Where was the mention of increased policing in the Autumn statement
Where were the reductions to pensioners benefits in the Autumn statement.
Come on, have some sense and dont talk such utter crap.
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| Quote: PCollinson1990 "If Corby gets into Downing Street then we're the creak, no paddle, no canoe, no maps and a deluge of biblical proportions to wash us down stream.'"
As opposed to no agreement with the E.U, no money for state schools, continued privatisation of the N.H.S. further wage freezers for low earners, & on & on.
Enjoy the next five (years) & prey that none of the above affect you.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "That is just utter nonsense.
Where was the "dementia tax" in the Autumn statement.
Where was the mention of increased policing in the Autumn statement
Where were the reductions to pensioners benefits in the Autumn statement.
Come on, have some sense and dont talk such utter crap.'"
Did the Tories say they were increasing counter intelligence by 1900?
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| Quote: tigertot "Does it, it's no doubt useful, but I honestly have no idea who will suffer the most. From what I have read;
The £230 billion exports of goods and services to other EU countries were worth about 12% of the value of the British economy in 2015. It’s been at around 13-15% over the past decade.
Exports from the rest of the EU to the UK were worth about 3-4% of the size of the remaining EU’s economy in 2015.'"
The UK is Germany's biggest trading partner so I doubt that will be overlooked in negotiations. There doesn't seem a rush to fill the funding gap left by the UK leaving the EU.
There is a 60bn gap between what we import compared to what we export so that will need sorting 290bn is a big customer to lose?
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| Quote: The Devil's Advocate "As opposed to no agreement with the E.U, no money for state schools, continued privatisation of the N.H.S. further wage freezers for low earners, & on & on.
Enjoy the next five (years) & prey that none of the above affect you.'"
Record funding of the NHS, schools etc.
Surely if some of us are prepared to pay extra to take the pressure of the NHS via private health surely that is a good thing as is private education.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Did the Tories say they were increasing counter intelligence by 1900?'"
I was replying to "exiled down south" who stated that the Tories plans for the GE were laid out and costed in the Autumn Statement and neither of those comments are true.
Their manifesto is not the same as the Autumn statement.
Mind you, at that point, we weren't going to have a GE until 2020.
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| Not one leader of any of the parties are worthy of the title Leader IMO. We get unified and together trotted out at random and they, together with the hyena pack of reporters and so called journalists, are feeding the divide. Soft sod politicians are IMO not worth one of the poor souls killed lately. Self-serving bunch of lightweights who display nothing whatsoever for the young to look up to and certainly not as role models.
Its been a dreadful, unedifying few weeks and not one that can heal any rifts in society at all.
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| Quote: The Devil's Advocate "As opposed to no agreement with the E.U, no money for state schools, continued privatisation of the N.H.S. further wage freezers for low earners, & on & on.
Enjoy the next five (years) & prey that none of the above affect you.'"
What alternatives are Labour offering?
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Record funding of the NHS, schools etc.'"
Why must you keep chanting the Tory mantra?
If the Government spent a quid more in 2017 than in 2016 it's record funding.
Quote: Sal Paradise "Surely if some of us are prepared to pay extra to take the pressure of the NHS via private health surely that is a good thing as is private education.'"
All well & good in your utopian world, but in real terms both the N.H.S. & state schools are cash-strapped, & in a couple of days it'll be more of the same.
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