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Quote: billypop "Presumably the same reasons as he's surely against (or fearful of) NATO. Loss of control, anyone? Needing to take control back?'"


Do you answer all his questions for him? icon_lol.gif

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Quote: brearley84 "more talk of the EU army today, we were warned'"


Which former prime minister proposed a European army? Winston Churchill, in case anyone is wondering

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Quote: Kelvin's Ferret "I realise that the leading Brexiteers have already admitted the immigration control subtext was basically a lie, but are we still getting the extra £ 300m+ a week for the NHS, or has that gone the way of the immigration claims too?

My bet is that we 'leave' the EU sometime in the next ten years, for some kind of affiliate status, which gives us access to single market. But in return we still need to pay the same level of net contribution we do now, we still need to have freedom of movement (there might be some token concessions about needing to have job before they come) , oh and to access that single market we'll need to be compliant with the EU law we no longer have any say in. But we will be officially OUT, even if OUT isn't what the Brexiteers thought they were getting.'"


Are you serious ??

The net contribution to the EU was around £175 million per week (after deducting the various grants that came back into the UK) so, there was NEVER going to be an extra £350 million for anything.
There also still needs to be an agreement reached with the EU to allow us to trade with them and NOBODY yet knows how that will develop.

There were lies and exaggerations on both sides of the Brexit campaign and because both sides were hashed together coalitions, we will never be able to hold either side to account.

It will certainly be interesting to see how it all plays out and the best hope that we have is for the EU as an organisation to crumble and we can then make individual trade deals with who we want.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "

It will certainly be interesting to see how it all plays out and the best hope that we have is for the EU as an organisation to crumble and we can then make individual trade deals with who we want.'"


I think that is inevitable. Always been a matter of when not if.

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Quote: DGM "For what reasons would you be against (or be fearful of) an EU army?'"


There is already an EU parliament, there is an EU council, there is an EU commission. Now there is going to be an EU army. That is basically an EU superstate. Foundations for a global government

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I wonder if Brexit will be blamed for Deutsche Bank's troubles?!

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Quote: wrencat1873 "... we can then make individual trade deals with who we want.'"


Unless Brussels made the UK sell arms to Saudi Arabia, we already can and do.

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brexit to start by end of march 2017

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Quote: brearley84 "brexit to start by end of march 2017'"



Yeah we know, the Pound may have parity with the Euro by then, it's all going swimmingly.

Oh, & all the Northern folk who voted for a brighter future, well guess what?

The "Northern Powerhouse" has been put on the back burner & once the cash that was diverted North via Brussels has dried up, it's a Fait Accompli, oh the irony.

Oh well, at least they can rape the North one last time - Go Fracking!

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate ""Northern Powerhouse"'"


You didn't actually believe all that did you?

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Good piece from Mr Hilton is last night's Evening Standard on some of the challenges:

www.standard.co.uk/business/anth ... 60681.html
Good piece from Mr Hilton is last night's Evening Standard on some of the challenges:

www.standard.co.uk/business/anth ... 60681.html


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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "Yeah we know, the Pound may have parity with the Euro by then, it's all going swimmingly.

Oh, & all the Northern folk who voted for a brighter future, well guess what?

The "Northern Powerhouse" has been put on the back burner & once the cash that was diverted North via Brussels has dried up, it's a Fait Accompli, oh the irony.

Oh well, at least they can rape the North one last time - Go Fracking!'"


There is a fair chance that the pound will be worth less than the Euro by February and certainly by the time 2019 comes around.

I wonder how many of the people who voted "out" would change their vote if there were to be a second referendum.
Also, if things look so seriously e when the time comes (and the were to be a second vote) whether the folk in the Eurozone would take us back.

THE biggest gamble in the las 100 years and our future looks as bright as it is down t'pit (not that there are too many of those left)

As prices start to rise over the next few months (off set slightly by higher levels of exports) will Boris & Nige and their ilk still be telling us that it's better out than in.

Things look so utterly grim that we should move the border with Scotland down to South Yorkshire and vote SNP icon_biggrin.gifOH:

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Things look so utterly grim that we should move the border with Scotland down to South Yorkshire and vote SNP
Yeah - but at least we've taken back control...

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Quote: bren2k "Yeah - but at least we've taken back control...'"


That's so funny, that i'm actually in tears, trouble is I dont know whether they are tears of joy or, borne out of depression.
The utter lack of leadership and direction is probably the most depressing thing, a government that has deafened itself with sound bites but is making itself dizzy and an opposition that is just, well, lost.

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There is one overriding reason why Brexit is essential. We are on the verge of, and arguably already seeing, massive migration as a result of climate change / environmental degradation. The UK is predicted to be one of the world's relatively safe havens in years to come and therefore attractive to migrants. Accordingly, to survive as a nation (and to help our species survive) we need to be able to secure our borders, build our military to protect those borders and somehow move towards self-sufficiency in food, etc. That is a big ask with current population.

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