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Quote: Superblue "Looks like The Democrat establishment have coalesced around Biden to deny Bernie the Candidicy.
But will the Bernie supporters be interested in swopping one set establishment for another, I don’t think so
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Superblue's point was correct though in that the Democrat establishment coalesced around Biden to make sure the centrists had a single candidate. Biden had done very badly in Iowa and New Hampshire. He won South Carolina and then the others dropped out. Before that point, Pete Buttegieg was doing better than Biden.

What would have been interesting, is if Buttegieg had still been ahead of Biden after South Carolina. Would Biden have dropped out and got behind Buttegieg...I doubt it.

I think Biden's win there gave a justification for the Democrat establishment to say to Buttegieg, Klobuchar and co - look Joe's been around a while, he's old and probably won't do two terms - get behind him, let him be the nominee this time and you will be rewarded with senior positions in his administration. Then you can position to be the Democrat nominee in 2024. Bernie and Warren probably won't run then, and the other candidates of the left (Abrams, Gillum) won't have the same profile, AOC will still be under the age threshold to be eligible, so the centrist Democrats can secure their succession for the next decade if they can get Biden elected and then have a cabal of Buttegieg, Klobuchar, Harris, Booker, O'Rourke in senior positions.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Superblue's point was correct though in that the Democrat establishment coalesced around Biden to make sure the centrists had a single candidate. Biden had done very badly in Iowa and New Hampshire. He won South Carolina and then the others dropped out. Before that point, Pete Buttegieg was doing better than Biden.

What would have been interesting, is if Buttegieg had still been ahead of Biden after South Carolina. Would Biden have dropped out and got behind Buttegieg...I doubt it.

I think Biden's win there gave a justification for the Democrat establishment to say to Buttegieg, Klobuchar and co - look Joe's been around a while, he's old and probably won't do two terms - get behind him'"

Buttegieg, much as I quite like him, had failed to build up support outside Iowa and New Hampshire. He was never ahead of Biden in national polls. Once outside the first few states, and with no discerbible bounce or expansion of support, his campaign was no longer viable.

I've no doubt there was pressure for the various moderate candidates with no chance to pull out. But that winnowing would have happened pretty quickly anyway, it always does when they start running out of money as donors see the lack of serious prospects.

Bernie's hope of winning the nomination when his support has a ceiling of around 30-35% of the vote was dependent on the split field. The biggest failure isn't some conspiracy against him, it's in his failure to capture the minds of significant blocks of the Democratic electorate. He's lost about 20% of the vote from 2016, there's no-one to blame there but his own failings or underlying lack of appeal.

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“When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a Bible.”

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Quote: King Street Cat "“When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a Bible.”'"


Do you think that DT was trying to appeal to his core voters icon_surprised.gifops:

You have to say that he looks way out of his depth (again) but, there seems to be enough voters over there that still think he's great and this is the most scary aspect of the recent goings on.
From utter denial about the covid19 to wanting to send in the army against his own people.
He'll probably try and get an order through to prevent "blacks" voting, you know, like it was in the good old days - the guy is a butty (or two) short of a picnic.

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Trump's strength is in appealing to single issue voters; religious extremists, evangelicals, gun lovers, supremacists and hard-line Republicans. This crisis is the perfect opportunity for him to push their buttons. He'll be reminding them of the up and coming reelection campaign any day soon. My guess is that he'll run with the old 'Make America Great Again' again, as silly as that sounds right now. But it will work among his base. They'll lap it up.

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Quote: King Street Cat "Trump's strength is in appealing to single issue voters; religious extremists, evangelicals, gun lovers, supremacists and hard-line Republicans. This crisis is the perfect opportunity for him to push their buttons. He'll be reminding them of the up and coming reelection campaign any day soon. My guess is that he'll run with the old 'Make America Great Again' again, as silly as that sounds right now. But it will work among his base. They'll lap it up.'"

And they will be right, playing to strengths, weeding out the hangers on and free loaders, doing what needs to be done. Not based on colour, creed, religion but simple fact, the world is full of idiots (is your mirror working)?

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Quote: IR80 "And they will be right, playing to strengths, weeding out the hangers on and free loaders, doing what needs to be done. Not based on colour, creed, religion but simple fact, the world is full of idiots (is your mirror working)?'"


Do you "help" weeding them out by kneeling on their neck until they can no longer breathe d040.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Do you "help" weeding them out by kneeling on their neck until they can no longer breathe Only you could make a giant leap from what I posted to condoning the murder of an innocent man...

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Quote: IR80 "Only you could make a giant leap from what I posted to condoning the murder of an innocent man...'"

Would hardly say he was innocent. He had an extensive rap sheet with convictions for armed robbery, drugs and assault and had served 6 years for armed robbery*. The woman he robbed at gunpoint in her own home probably isn't too upset he's dead.

*Which does not justify his death.**

**Which does not justify the rioting.

Either way, this is playing right into the hands of Trump. His diehard supporters will want a display of strength and probably have little sympathy for Floyd or the protesters, never mind the rioters. They hate the media and every criticism of Trump justifies their views. 'Murica.

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What Trump does is pretty irrelevant. Biden is even worse than Hilary and Trump will eat him for breakfast.

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I thought you didn’t read the Daily Mail in any of its forms. What has his history got to do with anything, was he armed, did they know he was possibly guilty of nothing more that trying to pass a forge $20. I was under the impression that if correct he served his time and like everywhere else including the U.K. he is a free man.
It will appeal to his base but that is not big enough to win the election and Trump is not exactly endearing himself to the rest of the American population. He needs white suburban women to vote for him apparently but that is not going too well.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "I thought you didn’t read the Daily Mail in any of its forms. What has his history got to do with anything, was he armed, did they know he was possibly guilty of nothing more that trying to pass a forge $20. I was under the impression that if correct he served his time and like everywhere else including the U.K. he is a free man.
It will appeal to his base but that is not big enough to win the election and Trump is not exactly endearing himself to the rest of the American population. He needs white suburban women to vote for him apparently but that is not going too well.'"

I don't. His criminal record is out there. There are screenshots of his criminal convictions all over the place if you care to look for them.

Floyd may have 'only' been trying to pass off a forged $20 note on this occasion, but he was a lifelong thug and criminal who - in the way of these things - will have got away with a damn sight more than he was ever convicted of. Do I think the manner of his death was unacceptable? Yes. Absolutely. Do I feel empathy with his family? Yes. Absolutely. But a better father wouldn't have been out committing crime.

Do I care that a violent career criminal is dead? Not in the slightest. Same as Mark Duggan. Good riddance to scum.

I'm sure to you he's a noble martyr akin to Martin Luther King. I'm sure to you the protesters and rioters (note the differentiation) are gallant heroes although a week or two ago they would have been considered plague rats. Just as I'm sure you're happy at the US police and others killed and injured by rioters and looters in the last few days.

As for Trump, beware the silent majority who will be vehemently opposed to these riots and will want them crushed. Many tens of millions will be thrilled by the sight of the 82nd in DC and will hope they get the chance to crack a few skulls. The liberal media often do not reflect majority public opinion, as we know.

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Agree with both of Crous' posts. What I don't understand why "blacklives matter" any more than white, asian, chinese.... or the thousands killed in the Middle East, where are those 'protests'?

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10:35
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NZ Warriors
       League One 2024-R22
14:00
Midlands
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Hunslet
     Womens Super League 2024-R12
14:00
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BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
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       Championship 2024-R24
17:00
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Sheffield
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
20:00
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 Sun 1st Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
05:00
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v
Gold Coast
07:05
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v
Canberra
     Womens Super League 2024-R12
12:00
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v
York V
12:00
WiganW
v
Wire W
14:00
Hudds W
v
St.HelensW
       League One 2024-R22
14:30
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Cornwall
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
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St.Helens
15:00
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Leeds
       Championship 2024-R24
15:00
Batley
v
Widnes
15:00
Doncaster
v
Halifax
15:00
Featherstone
v
Barrow
15:00
Swinton
v
Wakefield
15:00
Whitehaven
v
York
       League One 2024-R22
15:00
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15:00
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 Fri 6th Sep 2024
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17:30
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FeatherstoneW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
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Leigh
20:00
Leeds
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Hull FC
20:00
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St.Helens
20:00
Wigan
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Hull KR
 Sat 7th Sep 2024
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06:00
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v
Canberra
08:30
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v
NQL Cowboys
10:35
Penrith
v
Gold Coast
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
12:00
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Hudds W
       Championship 2024-R25
15:00
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18:00
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07:05
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15:00
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Bradford
15:00
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15:00
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15:00
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York
 Fri 13th Sep 2024
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20:00
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v
Castleford
20:00
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 Sat 14th Sep 2024
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14:00
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14:00
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BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
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15:00
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Batley
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Swinton
15:00
Doncaster
v
Widnes
15:00
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v
Sheffield
15:00
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v
York
17:00
Toulouse
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Halifax
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
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20:00
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Leeds
20:00
Leigh
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
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LondonB
20:00
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Salford
 Sat 21st Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
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v
Dewsbury
18:00
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v
Toulouse
19:30
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Barrow
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Bradford
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Doncaster
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Batley
 Sun 29th Sep 2024
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Widnes
15:00
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15:00
Dewsbury
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Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
Doncaster
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Halifax
15:00
York
v
Featherstone
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NRL 22 Wests30-48NQL Cowboys
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NRL 21 Canberra32-12Souths
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Wigan 19 495 258 237 30
Warrington 19 498 245 253 28
Hull KR 19 481 255 226 28
Catalans 19 366 274 92 24
Salford 19 355 366 -11 24
St.Helens 19 455 256 199 22
 
Leeds 19 355 342 13 20
Leigh 19 392 286 106 19
Huddersfield 20 350 453 -103 14
Castleford 20 336 523 -187 13
Hull FC 19 268 566 -298 6
LondonB 19 198 725 -527 2
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Wakefield 17 584 206 378 32
Sheffield 17 488 283 205 24
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Doncaster 17 318 410 -92 17
 
York 18 428 345 83 16
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