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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "Under Labour the number of people sleeping rough on the streets fell from around 2000 to around 500. Under the conservatives that figure has increased ten fold to around 5000.
The number of people homeless, without a place to call home is at a record high of 320,000.
The number of people living in poverty in the UK is also at a record high of 14 million, 4.5 million of these are children.
Yes the minimum wage may have risen, but cuts to in work benefits have more than offset this leaving people worse off.
The number of people smoking is at a record low and the amount people drink has been falling, they are certainly not the reason for the increase in homeless people or people living in poverty in this country.
The biggest cost people face is rent, rents have risen faster than wages for a long period of time. The conservatives sold off masses of council houses and stopped local authorities building new social housing, as a result we don’t have enough to home even the most vulnerable in society, never mind your average zero hour contract minimum wage joe.'"
Of your increase in homeless how much is related to EU immigration?
Poverty what is your idea of poverty - not having a roof over your head, can't afford clothes or food - how many of your 14m does this apply to. There is a difference between actual poverty and not being able to afford what the average household can have which is my understanding of the government's definition.
In respect of rent isn't housing benefit there to offset excessive costs?
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "In respect of rent isn't housing benefit there to offset excessive costs?'"
Not anymore.
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| Quote: Bullseye "Not anymore.'"
Its wrapped up in universal credit or its disappeared altogether?
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| Quote: Bullseye "Sorting this out would help:
And Labour think increasing the rate of corporation tax will increase the take - bonkers.
Unless tax is a universally changed you will never stop companies finding lower tax regimes - it is the duty of directors to protect shareholder funds however unpalatable that is.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Its wrapped up in universal credit or its disappeared altogether?'"
You know the answer.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "And Labour think increasing the rate of corporation tax will increase the take - bonkers.
Unless tax is a universally changed you will never stop companies finding lower tax regimes - it is the duty of directors to protect shareholder funds however unpalatable that is.'"
Ah the good old chestnut. Under the Companies Act it is also a director's duty to act fairly between members, employees, suppliers, the environment, the general community. Let's not bother with that pinko stuff though when we can screw all of them & let the lower paid cover those costs.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "And Labour think increasing the rate of corporation tax will increase the take - bonkers.
Unless tax is a universally changed you will never stop companies finding lower tax regimes - it is the duty of directors to protect shareholder funds however unpalatable that is.'"
Could change legislation so that interest and royalties paid offshore are non-deductible. Likewise management charges and rents in respect of UK situated property paid to outside UK. That may better reflect commercial reality.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Of your increase in homeless how much is related to EU immigration?
Poverty what is your idea of poverty - not having a roof over your head, can't afford clothes or food - how many of your 14m does this apply to. There is a difference between actual poverty and not being able to afford what the average household can have which is my understanding of the government's definition.
In respect of rent isn't housing benefit there to offset excessive costs?'"
These numbers are not my personal opinion on what poverty is they are official government statistics. Although without a permanent roof over your head is homeless, struggling to feed your family (hence using a food bank) and pay essential bills is living in poverty. I’m not sure what your point is, are you saying the 14M officially living in poverty are actually well off.
The increase in homelessness has nothing to do with immigration. We had immigration before the tories came to power in 2010 and we still have immigration now at similar levels.
Immigrants are scapegoated by our right wing press, which is owned by billionaire non domicile tax dodgers, despite the fact immigrants are less likely to be unemployed than British born people, less likely to claim benefits and contribute more than they take out of the system.
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| Quote: Dally "Could change legislation so that interest and royalties paid offshore are non-deductible. Likewise management charges and rents in respect of UK situated property paid to outside UK. That may better reflect commercial reality.'"
Big companies are far too clever - it needs a change internationally and there are countries with a vested interest in not letting that happen - some are even in the seas just of the UK mainland.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Big companies are far too clever - it needs a change internationally and there are countries with a vested interest in not letting that happen - some are even in the seas just of the UK mainland.'"
They’re not clever - it is just easy.
Do you have any suggestions?
Because it increasingly feels like your original question was:
How do we make our optimal economic system work better without changing it?
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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "These numbers are not my personal opinion on what poverty is they are official government statistics. Although without a permanent roof over your head is homeless, struggling to feed your family (hence using a food bank) and pay essential bills is living in poverty. I’m not sure what your point is, are you saying the 14M officially living in poverty are actually well off.
The increase in homelessness has nothing to do with immigration. We had immigration before the tories came to power in 2010 and we still have immigration now at similar levels.
Immigrants are scapegoated by our right wing press, which is owned by billionaire non domicile tax dodgers, despite the fact immigrants are less likely to be unemployed than British born people, less likely to claim benefits and contribute more than they take out of the system.'"
In any society there will those who earn less, have less etc. even in your Socialist utopia there are the haves and have nots. As I have pointed out the officials of Unite - the leftist of unions - have a final salary pension scheme paid for by the members - go figure?
We don't have 14m living in poverty as you well know yes they may earn less but they are entitled to benefits to top up their earnings the numbers using food banks is >2m that says c12m of you 14m can afford to buy food - is that true poverty? How many people in this country are really in poverty?
The Times has suggested 20% of all homeless in London are EU migrants - I suppose that is just Murdoch looking after himself?
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There will always be people who earn less and have less than others, but we can choose to make things better and more equal rather than worse and less equal.
We do have 14M living in poverty, that is a fact. Some of those people can feed themselves without using a food bank, but they are still living in poverty. It’s pointless debating how poor they are, everybody’s situation will be different, but the fact is they are officially living in poverty, and the number of people living in poverty has risen significantly.
The only conclusion anyone can draw from that is the government has failed the people it’s supposed to represent on a massive scale.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... k-42218682
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There will always be people who earn less and have less than others, but we can choose to make things better and more equal rather than worse and less equal.
We do have 14M living in poverty, that is a fact. Some of those people can feed themselves without using a food bank, but they are still living in poverty. It’s pointless debating how poor they are, everybody’s situation will be different, but the fact is they are officially living in poverty, and the number of people living in poverty has risen significantly.
The only conclusion anyone can draw from that is the government has failed the people it’s supposed to represent on a massive scale.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... k-42218682
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "
We don't have 14m living in poverty as you well know yes they may earn less but they are entitled to benefits to top up their earnings the numbers using food banks is >2m that says c12m of you 14m can afford to buy food - is that true poverty? How many people in this country are really in poverty?
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Surely something needs to be done to provide a fairer society in terms of wealth distribution.
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Do you stand by that? How would you define fairness, in this context? What level of equality would you like to see? What proportion of wealth being held by the the top 1% or 5%, nationally or globally, would you deem equitable? What would you regard as being the maximum acceptable Gini co-efficient in the UK?
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| Quote: Mild Rover "They’re not clever - it is just easy.
Do you have any suggestions?
Because it increasingly feels like your original question was
The taxation system is very complex and requires highly intelligent people to understand it - we need to close down the rules on transfer pricing and as mentioned before management/franchising charges. Corporation tax needs to be an international cooperation or there will always be legal ways of avoidance.
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