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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "Trump isn’t afraid of a fight you say, if that’s the case could you explain why he dodged been drafted into the Vietnam War 5 times?'"
You mean Cadet Bonespur, who *would* theoretically run unarmed towards an active shooter, but won't go out in the rain to honour fallen US soldiers?
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| Quote: bren2k "You mean Cadet Bonespur, who *would* theoretically run unarmed towards an active shooter, but won't go out in the rain to honour fallen US soldiers?'"
Indeed, Trump is a bully not a fighter. There is a huge difference in these two traits.
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| It all seems to be going smoothly doesn't it?
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| Quote: Bullseye "It all seems to be going smoothly doesn't it?
Prime minister is having a really good day.
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| Two down - more to go; there'll be a vote of no confidence by this time tomorrow.
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| If there's a vote of confidence in her and she loses who picks up the gauntlet? Plenty of Brexiters are happy to leave her in place to take the blame (Raab thinks she should stay!) but none want the responsibility themselves or know that they would be a lame duck just like May because the party is irrevocably split.
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| We're doomed.
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| What an awful mess.
Way back in Brexit (part 1) I said that NOBODY would get what they wanted from this and Mrs May has certainly made sure of that.
We either needed to go hard or stay in the customs union but, it trying to keep her party "together", we look like signing up to the worst of both worlds (still paying in, no say in policy and unable to make our own deals outside the EU), how much worse could it actually be.
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| Don't forget. Strong & stable.
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| Couple more resignations today - vote of no confidence before tea.
The only sensible course of action now is a GE - this lot are a busted flush.
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| I reckon some wets in the Tories will back her just to try and stay in office, they know they're in a pickle. I don't see any of the Brexiters actually wanting to be in charge yet, many would rather wait until after the end of March so someone else can be blame for the mess.
I reckon she'll survive a vote of no confidence but her deal will get thrown out by parliament. What she does then is anyone's guess.
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| She appears to be appealing to the whole house in order to get the numbers.
There'll be quite a few Labour M.P.'s wavering when it gets to the vote, should they toe the party line, or should they follow their constituents wishes, even if it's not exactly the Brexit they hoped for?
I felt a little sorry for her yesterday, not something I've felt for a Tory before, but to be fair she kept a straight bat amidst hours of bouncers, but I guess that's what politicians do best. If I could ask her one question & get a honest response it would be, what happens if you lose the vote?
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| I think the problem is that when negotiating the divorce you don’t want a very clear and firm position because it limits your room for manoeuvre. But that allows people to interpret ‘what was voted for’ in their own way, and what she came back was never going to match all or even many of those expectations. She’s gone beyond a joke now to almost being weirdly impressive - like that knight in the Monty Python film who wouldn’t give up despite losing all his limbs.
Interesting to see the Daily Mail’s new editorial line on the ‘preening Tory saboteurs’. I think they’re so defined by opposition that they’d be lost if they got what they wanted. Be funny to see to see their faces, if nothing else - although obviously we wouldn’t, they’d be off quick smart to pursue their other interests, like humming Dave before them.
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| May has the look of someone who is demob happy; she knows she's on her way out, so all the issues that would have beset her, are suddenly less significant and bothersome.
The deal will obviously be rejected by the HoP - and if she hasn't been ousted by then, she'll resign; then one of the Brexit cheerleaders will have to step up and try to salvage something - which will be a poison chalice of the worst kind.
The only light at the end of this tunnel, is that we could be witnessing the demise of the Tories as a political force for a generation.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "I think the problem is that when negotiating the divorce you don’t want a very clear and firm position because it limits your room for manoeuvre. But that allows people to interpret ‘what was voted for’ in their own way, and what she came back was never going to match all or even many of those expectations. She’s gone beyond a joke now to almost being weirdly impressive - like that knight in the Monty Python film who wouldn’t give up despite losing all his limbs.
Interesting to see the Daily Mail’s new editorial line on the ‘preening Tory saboteurs’. I think they’re so defined by opposition that they’d be lost if they got what they wanted. Be funny to see to see their faces, if nothing else - although obviously we wouldn’t, they’d be off quick smart to pursue their other interests, like humming Dave before them.'"
I disagree with this.
May's biggest mistake was putting herself before any meaningful deal.
She needed to "pick a side" from the outset, even if this meant unrest within her party and possibly her own demise.
In trying to keep "everyone" on side for as long as possible, we look like ending up with either the worst of all deals or no deal.
Ultimately, with the Brexit issue being so toxic and not really along part lines, just as soon as she went for her "strong and stable" election and failed to obtain a significant majority, she was screwed.
As for Labour, the cowardly b'strds, they have just sat on the fence hoping for a Tory implosion, which in fairness, does look quuite likely but, they are equally split on this issue and the whole mess looks likely to continue for some while.
If we have a "peoples vote", the majority could be slightly in favour of remain but, what then ?
On the basis that the vote would still be close (even if it was a "remain" result), do we then go for best of three, best of 5, draw lots ???
Also, if we have "no deal", what happens to the Irish border, I presume that it would need to be a "hard" border. Quite ironic really and this could just about save Mrs May but, I doubt it.
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