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“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22 "It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21 A member of the Guardian-reading, tofu-eating wokerati.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_755.jpg



Quote: Cronus " or have some idea.'"


Usually you need a teeny, weeny bit more evidence to be found guilty. Unless the law has changed.

Quote: Cronus "Yes, Iranian scientists - in conjunction with the OPCW - synthesised 5 Novichok agents on a micro-scale a few years ago.'"


These guys were chemists working in a standard laboratory, not at the Iranian Porton Down. Which shows that the information is out there & not limited to nation states as the Government suggests.
www.spectroscopynow.com/details/ ... &tzcheck=1
Quote: Cronus " or have some idea.'"


Usually you need a teeny, weeny bit more evidence to be found guilty. Unless the law has changed.

Quote: Cronus "Yes, Iranian scientists - in conjunction with the OPCW - synthesised 5 Novichok agents on a micro-scale a few years ago.'"


These guys were chemists working in a standard laboratory, not at the Iranian Porton Down. Which shows that the information is out there & not limited to nation states as the Government suggests.
www.spectroscopynow.com/details/ ... &tzcheck=1


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Quote: bren2k "Very little - and Labour have been very clear about their stance on all three, so you'll feel very comfortable as a converted Corbynite. Welcome aboard comrade!'"

Thanks for your kind offer to climb on board jeezas journey to wipe out the Labour Party. However on this occasion I must respectfully decline. If I need to experience Marxist socialism abject failures I can visit Venezuela (starve to death) also
Cuba (people jailed for political opposition) not forgetting Russia a charming combination of Cuba and Venezuela all rolled together with a combination of poverty and a one party state. Not forgetting extreme violence visited on political opponents.
Airstrip one here we come.

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Airstrip one here we come.'"


Do us all a favour?
Take Cronus with you. icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: WIZEB "Do us all a favour?
Take Cronus with you. Unfortunately I can’t do that. Somebody has to point out the tripe that the metropolitan elite and liberal snowflakes are trying to inflict on the country.

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Quote: tigertot "Usually you need a teeny, weeny bit more evidence to be found guilty. Unless the law has changed.'"

Is that it? You cherry-pick those few words? Deary me. Standards are slipping. icon_biggrin.gifOH:

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Quote: WIZEB "Do us all a favour?
Take Cronus with you. icon_wave.gif

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Quote: Cronus "Is that it? You cherry-pick those few words? Deary me. Standards are slipping.
Hypocrisy exposed so start to throw out the insults. Classic.

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Quote: tigertot "Your few words are sufficient highlight your hypocrisy.

So there is overwhelming evidence then? Make your mind up. So tell me again how a British right-wing group were able to manufacture, handle, transport, mix and administer a Novichok agent and why they attacked a long-forgotten Russian? Any evidence would be good. You know, just a teeny bit. Evidence, not theories made-up in your head or read on some balmpot website.

Might as well tell me it was Mark Zuckerberg to divert from the Cambridge Analytica scandal.

Otherwise I refer you to my earlier reply, in which you might start to understand why the finger points directly at Russia. Lots of evidence and details, all conveniently posted in a single place for your enjoyment. a050.gif

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So here's a thing - entirely separate to any party political lines and with no commentary on how either side have responded to the issue - so I'll refrain from commenting on the Maybot, and you all refrain from the Comrade Corbyn retorts...

A super lethal, internationally prohibited nerve agent, so deadly that exposure to even a trace amount can be lethal, causing a dramatic, painful death - was deployed on the streets of Salisbury, and 2 people are critically ill as a result; none of the public, police, Dr's and nurses, or any bystanders or other people who came into contact with them has been affected - apart from one police officer, who has made a speedy and full recovery.

How come?

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Quote: bren2k "So here's a thing - entirely separate to any party political lines and with no commentary on how either side have responded to the issue - so I'll refrain from commenting on the Maybot, and you all refrain from the Comrade Corbyn retorts...

A super lethal, internationally prohibited nerve agent, so deadly that exposure to even a trace amount can be lethal, causing a dramatic, painful death - was deployed on the streets of Salisbury, and 2 people are critically ill as a result; none of the public, police, Dr's and nurses, or any bystanders or other people who came into contact with them has been affected - apart from one police officer, who has made a speedy and full recovery.

How come?'"


Because May and Trump need something to take the peoples minds off gun control and the brexit shambles. Step forward Russia. How very convienient

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Quote: bren2k "So here's a thing - a super lethal, internationally prohibited nerve agent, so deadly that exposure to even a trace amount can be lethal, causing a dramatic, painful death - was deployed on the streets of Salisbury, and 2 people are critically ill as a result; none of the public, police, Dr's and nurses, or any bystanders or other people who came into contact with them has been affected - apart from one police officer, who has made a speedy and full recovery.

How come?'"

I've seen reports of rlup to 38 who required treatmentrl, including a rlsecond police officerrl. Fortunately it seems most displayed very minor symptoms and probably some none at all. I wouldn't say DS Nick Bailey recovered 'quickly' - he was hospitalised for almost 3 weeks and was classed as critical for some time. He may continue to be affected for a long time.

It now appears DS Bailey fell ill after visiting the Skripal home, and not from contact with them at the park bench as first thought. It's therefore likely they were poisoned at home and while that means no-one else was exposed to the moment of attack, it's possibly some of the agent may have left the house with them. It would also explain why the police have examined their route so closely.

Given the preferred method of application is aerosol or powder, their clothes could easily have been contaminated and therefore no chances can be taken, especially as Novichok appears designed to linger, unlike almost all other nerve gases which dissipate quickly. Novichok agents are heavier than air so would settle fairly quickly, reducing the chance of being inhaled. The main risk is from touching a contaminated area. That said, we're talking miniscule amounts so you would be incredibly unlucky to touch it. Novichok dissipates quickly with water, which is why much of Salisbury was hosed down.

Vladimir Uglev, one of the scientists who developed Novichek, became ill twice from contact with a trace amount. It is indeed a highly lethal substance but still requires a minimum amount and successful application to kill. It's not the case that any contact means death. DS Bailey appears to have had contact with a trace amount quite some time after the attack and was still severely affected.

As for 'second' responders, well, paramedics and indeed doctors and nurses (and police) wear gloves when handling patients these days, thus vastly reducing their chance of contamination.

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Quote: Cronus "I've seen reports of rlup to 38 who required treatmentrl'"


On that point - Stephen Davis, a consultant in emergency medicine at the Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust, has written over the weekend:

"Further to your report (Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment) may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed. None has had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved."

It's either amazingly lucky - or something else.

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Quote: Cronus "So tell me again how a British right-wing group were able to manufacture, handle, transport, mix and administer a Novichok agent and why they attacked a long-forgotten Russian? Any evidence would be good. You know, just a teeny bit. Evidence, not theories made-up in your head or read on some balmpot website.'"



Quote: Cronus "I don't think Putin is involved (nor do any of the academic or military experts I have heard) though I think the most likely explanation is that agents allied to Putin who can act with impunity did carry it out or arranged it.'"


Keep trying to divert attention from your embarrassing contradictions. Wait, are you Teresa May?

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Quote: tigertot "Keep trying to divert attention from your embarrassing contradictions. Wait, are you Teresa May?'"

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