In which case, what happens if everyone who says and believes this actually votes Green, say?

That's similar to what people said at the last election about the Lib Dems

The aim then, I think, being electoral reform.

Looking at their policies, though, would you really see the Greens clambering into bed with the Tories?

On the other hand, they might, if they had a big leap forward, be able to form a coalition with Labour. Which would be interesting.

A slight move away from the core subject (skipping the usual teacher training process, which rather makes a mockery of claims it's not tough enough).

ButMorning Star[/i lobby correspondent at the time observed that Twigg was more right-wing than his predecessor. Looking at the situation we're currently in, it's not difficulty to see the truth of that, and more widely than Mike was describing at the time.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22801980 "Bedroom tax' failing, says housing associations' report"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22801980 "Bedroom tax' failing, says housing associations' report"

But we wouldn't be borrowing anything at all , we'd be selling things, government bonds to be exact. 50-99 year bonds at 3% to cover the cost of construction, suitable land is already owned by central and local government. If there's not enough available, then we simply allow local government to purchase agricultural land, give itself planning permission and flog half off to private developers, that should cover the construction of the council houses.

The means are there, it's only the political will that's absent

From a personal perspective, I felt (at that point) that the LDs did offer something slightly different, as well as the above, to the other 2 main parties. At the end of the day though, many people apparently didn't follow through on the opinion poll thoughts and we all know what happened. Sell out city. Unfortunately, schmucko supremo here fell for it
Stop talking sense.

That's probably what I'll end up doing.

For those condemning Milliband's speech out of hand, an interesting piece here: www.leftfootforward.org/2013/06/ ... n-welfare/

For those condemning Milliband's speech out of hand, an interesting piece here: www.leftfootforward.org/2013/06/ ... n-welfare/

Milliband's speech was actually ok.

Looks like he has finally realised that Labour need some economic credibility. Just saying they will reverse tory policies when there will be no money to do so makes him sound silly.

Also welfare reform is popular, it is sensible to get on that bandwagon.

I also like the idea that people who have worked for a long time and find themselves unemployed will get a higher rate of benefits than those that have never worked.

The argument against that is that copying a government that has no "economic credibility" – that is failing on the specific, stated points that the Chancellor laid out as key – is hardly conducive to any credibility.

You are confusing economic credibility with the perception of economic credibilty.
They are not the same thing.
The Tory message about it all being Gordon Brown's fault is erroneous and at best disingenuous.


It would ... but he never has said that.


This sums up a lot of what is wrong with the public's engagement with politics.
When people would rather have bandwagon politicians than someone with genuine conviction, we would be in very poor situation.

Perhaps Barry should have provided a rllinkrl to illustrate his point better?