Have you ever read Terry Pratchett's Discworld novel 'Small Gods'.

Explains it perfectly.

errhh yes, interesting question FA !

how was God created ? and when the world ends, will God 'end' ?

that's one to ask KS or the next Witness who comes knocking at your door...

I've asked him who created the creator before, he's got nothing, none of them have.

Pointless and futile, while science marches on these idiots want to drag us back to the dark ages where tyranny, hate and fear ruled.

I don't know who created God, if he even had a creator that is.

Try rlMyako Teppanyakirl mate, it's like cooking and eating in a circus

It wasn't just any apple - it was fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The Fall of Man is actually very much like Tony Nicklinson's case (apologies for bringing the thread back ON topic). Tony Nicklinson wants to play God as much as Adam and Eve did.



Because any of us in Adam's place would have done the same thing.



God did not create Satan.

Satan was originally a holy angel called Lucifer. Lucifer became arrogant and jealous and he decided that he wanted to be better than God. He was subsequently cast out of Heaven and he came to live in our world.



I don’t agree with that analogy, but in any case the kid is to blame.



The consequence of Adam’s sin.



God is sovereign. Who are you, a mere human being, to question his plan?.



How can you say it is an overreaction? You underestimate the severity of sin.



He gave us free will.

He created the set, the actors, the script – but he lets us decide what actually happens on stage.



I wouldn’t say that any of the Bible is lunacy. Perhaps Mintball would care to oblige?



Inherited sin.



All babies are sinful.



I have yet to see any logic or reason from you, only tantrums at how unfair you think God is.

Yep clearly not brain washed.

Since your god (according to your acript) not only knows everything that has happened but everything that will happen, this is errant nonsense.



The [iBible[/i is, in itself, no more or no less nonsense than the tales of the Greek/Roman gods or the Norse gods or any other gods or any other creation myths, such as Gilgamesh.

It is a collection of stories and poetry and proverbs and genealogy selected from an even greater amount of those things, and all bundled together, at a later date, into one book.

It is a work of literature and some of that literature is astounding. Some of the Psalms, for instance, are quite beautiful, while some of the stories would appall even the fans of slasher movies.

Anthropologically, it is interesting as a work illustrating how one tribe explained the world and organised itself in terms of laws, and how it saw its own history in its own tiny part of the world.

The "lunacy" is that some apparently educated people, in the 21st century, take it at face value, abandon any critical skills, any logic, and not only believe the worst of these stories, but defend them.

While one should always be wary of [ireductio ad Hitlerum[/i, these people, who believe in the absolute, literal truth of the [iBible[/i, and then defend it, are defending behaviour hardly unakin to that of despots and dictators.

The "lunacy" is entirely theirs.

you are on a wind up mate.surely you dont believe that c**p you ve posted above!!!! you cant believe in all that, surely not. if you do believe that , you need to report your parents or whoever mentally abused and brainwashed you as a kid, to the authorities and then you need to go into therapy to become normal and realise what you were told to believe is in fact SH*T.

No, not really.

Whilst God may know everything, including what will happen in the future, our choices remain our own. God just happens to know what we will choose. Knowledge of something The [iBible[/i is, in itself, no more or no less nonsense than the tales of the Greek/Roman gods or the Norse gods or any other gods or any other creation myths, such as Gilgamesh.'"

If i was a good charitable person, never said boo to a goose and loved my neighbour and was an all round good egg but didn't believe in god would i been as less of a person when i died as someone who raped killed stole and lied his whole life to repent on their death bed and accept god in to their life?

Not me, for a start. I don't like fruit. There, that just debunked your theory didn't it?


Who did? You admit you don't know who created your god, now you admit that perhaps his main competitor was not a creation of his either. I deduce that there must be another creator, one who pre-dates your god, and seemingly can do things your's can't. Isn't that a tad worrying for you? Especially as you have no clue who this super-god might be?


God doesn't exist. If he did, I wouldn't "question" this sort of plan, I would declare it to be psychopathic madness.


Not according to you, not in any meaningful sense, you say he created us knowing 100% definitely what we would each of us do, therefore clearly each of our actions would be pre-ordained by our creator. If god knows what I am going to do next week, then self-evidently whatever I do can't be my fault, as I have no choice in the matter.


You cannot escape the logic that as he knows what I am going to do, I have no choice. I cannot decide. Because if I decided differently, then your god would have been wrong, and we can't have that, can we?


Not me. Your god, OTOH, regularly seems to.

Whether she cares to or not, there is such a wealth of lunacy and contradiction that it is hard to know even where to start. OK,tell us, where do you stand on this
Sounds fairly barking to me. Then again, what about forcing virgin rape victims to marry their rapists, who if caught have to pay a small fee to the victim's dad?
Deuteronomy 22 of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. "

What about God threatening to force disobedient people into having adulterous sex?
"This is what the Lord says
Or maybe slaughtering thousands of children on a whim?
"At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. (Exod. 12
Oh, hang on. I presume that bit was ok since according to you,

Quote: kirkstaller "All babies are sinful.'"

The scenario you have given is not a realistic one, particularly from the Christian perspective. You have labelled yourself ‘good’, but how is good defined, and who defines what is good?

Let me ask you a few questions:

Have you ever told a lie?

Have you ever stolen anything?

Have you ever taken the Lord’s name in vain?

Have you ever looked at a woman with lust?

If so, in God’s eyes you are not a good person, you are a criminal. Criminals deserve punishment, and the punishment for guilty sinners is eternal separation from God in Hell. Since everyone has sinned and falls short of the glory of God, we are all destined for this punishment – yes, everyone - you, me, Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Hitler, Stalin, Bin Laden and even the Pope.

The good news is that there is a way we can avoid this terrible fate. Because God loves us so much, he provided us with a way to be reconciled with him and have our sins washed away. He did this by giving up the life of his only begotten son – Jesus – who took the punishment for us. In order to have our transgressions forgiven, all God asks for is an admission of guilt. He wants humility. We must understand that even if by human standards we judge ourselves to be good, we still break God’s commandments and fall short of his mark.

Anyone can receive God’s grace – it doesn’t matter if you’re a serial killer or a ‘good, charitable person’.

I hope this answers your question.

Damn, you got me there.



God created angels before the creation of the universe. The Bible does not mention any other God.



Can you explain to me how God’s knowledge of our decisions has any influence on them?

Say I recorded a game of rugby league on Sky+. I then read about what happens in the game – the big decisions, the tries, the controversies. Then I go back and watch the game from the beginning. Are the decisions of the players influenced by my foreknowledge? Do they have any choice in whether they commit a high tackle or not? Of course they do.

Before you say that this example is different because the event has already happened, remember that God exists outside of time – he is in the past, present and future. Knowing what will happen or what has happened does not equate to influence.



What do you mean where do I stand on this? It’s exactly what it says on the tin.



You’re quoting Jewish ceremonial law. That is not God’s moral law, and even if it was, it does not convey any endorsement from God as to the morality of such a procedure.



God is threatening to do this to David because David has committed great evil.