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| Quote: El Barbudo "I think you have touched upon one of the big mistakes of the 1950's.
Post-war, countries like Germany had to rebuild and they did so using the latest technology (not just out of foresight, they were buying new). Many other countries followed suit and reduced their unit costs in the process.
In the UK, however, there were government initiatives to bring in cheap labour from the former colonies ... and manufacturers allowed themselves to believe that would solve their unit cost issues.
In the very short-term it did.
Long term however, it merely exacerbated the situation and increased the size of the pool of de-skilled unemployed labour.
In the 1980's I visited an ICI fibre factory in Germany many times, which was consistently out-performing against its UK counterparts, largely because it had better machinery.
When it came to getting more investment, the better-performing plants got the re-investment, which was of course, the German plant. The UK plants were seen as under-performing ... when really they could have been just as good if not better.'"
Biggest issue post war was the British working class thought the world owed them a living. Strike upon strike deterred investment and spurred on the perceived gap between them and "management". Management were largely useless and driven on by the strikes and "fear" of the working class, made short term and "secure" decisions.
Other countries, unsurprisingly so, filled the gap that this created with their own products.
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| Quote: Mintball "Yes dear. That's right.
??? who did that?
Honestly if you are going to post rubbish like that, how on earth do you expect to be treated seriously?
I used to work in said industry and I can assure you and back it up with FACTS not irrelevant posted rubbish that investment has never been higher.
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| Quote: Dally "Because if, say, we competed with the Far East, Africa, South America in producing cheap textiles we could only stay in business by matching their wage structure, working harder, or by having more modern machinery. Assumimg new entrants use state of the art machinery (not always the casew I know, but rapidly becomes so - think how Japan developed very quickly) that means we'd have to compete on unit labour cost. As they tend to work all the hours God's sends in emerging economies we couldn't really work longer for the same pay, we'd need to work for the same or less per hour.
Unless, of course, you took your view that we just mark up high production costs ......and go bust instead!'"
At last someone who understands economics.
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1977_1349889235.jpg "You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
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| Quote: Mintball "icon_lol.gif
Another utterly brilliant post.
Are you a member of Mensa by any chance?
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2051.jpg The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "Biggest issue post war was the British working class thought the world owed them a living. Strike upon strike deterred investment and spurred on the perceived gap between them and "management". Management were largely useless and driven on by the strikes and "fear" of the working class, made short term and "secure" decisions.
Other countries, unsurprisingly so, filled the gap that this created with their own products.'"
The world did owe them a fooking living, they spent six bloody years fighting for it
I suggest you speak to, or at least read contemoporary accounts written by some of the "British working class", who after fighting up to six years of a war, returned to find that little had ever changed. The "old money" still ruled like Victorian mill-owners and thought that the sun would never set on "our" empire. Ex-servicemen would just drop their weapons and pick up the picks, shovels, lathes etc that they'd left in 1939. While the women who were good enough to keep factories and farming working, while looking after families, would just go back to their kitchen sinks.
A re-alignment was needed, unfortunately it never went far enough.
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| Quote: cod'ead "The world did owe them a fooking living, they spent six bloody years fighting for it
I suggest you speak to, or at least read contemoporary accounts written by some of the "British working class", who after fighting up to six years of a war, returned to find that little had ever changed. The "old money" still ruled like Victorian mill-owners and thought that the sun would never set on "our" empire. Ex-servicemen would just drop their weapons and pick up the picks, shovels, lathes etc that they'd left in 1939. While the women who were good enough to keep factories and farming working, while looking after families, would just go back to their kitchen sinks.
A re-alignment was needed, unfortunately it never went far enough.'"
Haha
Oh dear.
This is EXACTLY the attitude that meant that closing factories, mills etc invevitable.
Whilst the UK was wallowing in some kind of bubble, expecting the world to thank them for their efforts, the rest of the world was knuckling down and perfecting their industry.
Do you think the British were fighting in WWII for some kind of socialist revolution?
The British were fighting to ensure their survival. They were fighting against totalitarian dictatorship.
To suggest there ought to be some other expectation is laughable.
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1977_1349889235.jpg "You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie]
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie]
[url=http://thevoluptuousmanifesto.blogspot.co.uk:2886spie][color=#4000FF:2886spie]The Voluptuous Manifesto[/color:2886spie][/url:2886spie] – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1977.jpg |
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Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "Haha
To suggest there ought to be some other expectation is laughable.'"
As I said, try speaking to some of those who fought or lost relatives in WW2, then you'll get some idea of just what they did expect post-1945.
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "Another utterly brilliant post.
Are you a member of Mensa by any chance?'"
For someone who has just popped up on this board you sure are cocky, I'd suggest winding your neck in.
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| Quote: Big Graeme "For someone who has just popped up on this board you sure are cocky, I'd suggest winding your neck in.'"
Bloke talks a lot of sense. What's he done wrong?
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| Quote: Big Graeme "For someone who has just popped up on this board you sure are cocky, I'd suggest winding your neck in.'"
Popped up? I have been posting on "this board" (as quite a few of you are fond of reminding me of) for years. You can't have it both ways, to quote my dislike of the Communist Cap and then to cite me as a new poster.
Cocky? Nope. Just sure of my facts.
Now, any more inspirational comments you would like to share?
Frankly you offer nothing as far as I can see.
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| Quote: cod'ead "As I said, try speaking to some of those who fought or lost relatives in WW2, then you'll get some idea of just what they did expect post-1945.'"
I have done. Members of my family to be exact.
Expect or not, the reality is that the world moved on, with or without British acknowledgement.
What did the people who fought for Rome expect? Or Greece? Or Persia? That they would rule the world forever?
Wake up.
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| Quote: Big Graeme "For someone who has just popped up on this board you sure are cocky, I'd suggest winding your neck in.'"
Why. Valid points are being made. Not the usual inane mockery.
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| Quote: Mintball "Yes dear. That's right.
Mintball. For someone that is clearly as highly intelligent as yourself, has a wonderful way with words and is incredibly articulate. I can't quite figure out why it is that you can come across on the odd occasion as being condescending to people who have a different opinion or disagree with you. You're better than that.
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