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Just by coincidence a link to this rlhttps://kielderobservatory.org/rl popped up on my Facebook page today, its a hell of a drive from Cornwall but if you're ever in the area...

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Well I have been toying with the idea of getting a telescope for a while but with a view to getting into Astro-Photography and mounting my d-slr on the end of it.

So I would need a 'scope that has one of those clever mounts that can track the movement of the night Sky for the long exposures.

No idea what kind of price range or models to go for so if we have any experts on here I'd be interested on any feedback about that.

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will do Minty.

Maybe next year Jerry.

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I think if you buy the LIDL scope you may well be very disappointed. I would go for better and bigger than that.

If your budget is roundabout those figures then IMHO you'd be far, far better off buying a decent pair of binoculars with a tripod attachment and a sturdy solid tripod. I mean astro binos - that is, they look like big fekk-off binos, the point is a) the bigger the lens, the more light they gatehr and b) the bigger they are, the heavier. Binos are almost impossible to use for any observing without a tripod, and a solid one at that. Lightweight tripods WILL NOT WORK with either binos or a scope, you will just get wobbling and vibrations and will be instantly put off.

The views from reasonable astro binos can be spectacular. Those from cheap telescopes are probaly the biggest reason why beginners quickly give up as
a) they can't see anything (Moon excepted) b) they can't find anything (c) when they do find something, eg Jupiter, if they can get a decentish view at high magnification, the target just quickly leaves the field of view as the earth rotates.

Honestly, with a cheap scope, and limited knowledge, you will get quickly fed up as you will struggle to find anything. Really, trust me on this.

What a beginner needs is probably what they won't get; namely a scope of at least 4", a heavy tripod, a good self-aligning system, and a computerised drive to find things.

rather than talk to you about specific telescope s I will point out the drawbacks, and then finish off by telling you exactly how to avoid them all.

Drawbacks:
When you take your telescope out, the following is required:

1. A flat pitch and to ensure that the tripod mount is perfectly level. That is harder than it sounds, especially on a cold night

2. Alignment. You will need to align the scope so that a vertical line from the centre of the mount points directly at the North celestial pole. Polaris, the pole star, is pretty near to it. Once aligned, then at least as the stars/planets move, you can swing the scope around on the same fixed plane, keeping targets in view.

Motorised scopes have varying standards of alignment, but all are far better than trying to DIY.

3. Finding objects. This is HARD. You need to know
a) what you want to see
b) exactly where it is
c) how to point your scope exactly in that direction
d) that you have found it!
e) then, keeping it in your eyepice as you observe it (because everything moves, all the time)

Motorised scopes take care of this for you. If properly aligned, then the scope will stay fixed on whatever you are pointing at. (Because it will rotate at the same speed as the view)

So, a motorised go-to scope has a hand controller, having aligned the scope, you just tell the hand controller what you want to look at, and off it goes and finds it for you.

i would say the worst things about this type of LIDL scope are probably not the scope itself, but people's expectations. It's not like the glossy colour images in the magazines, and while stargazing with a scope sounds wonderful (and really is!) it's crap if you don't know what to look at, and/or can't find anything.

Your solution, and something you really must do, is find out where and when your local astronomical society meets, and just turn up. This way you will find a bunch of people who will fall over themselves to help you, you'll get the chance to see all their kit and everyone will let you 'have a go'; you can't beat "hands on" experience and knowledgeable and enthusiastic "teachers". Also (and here's a great tip) they will always know of decent scopes for sale at a decent price (amateur astronomers are suckers for buying kit) and it will be a proper scope based on what suits your needs.

Best thing - as winter sets in, it really is the best time to take up stargazing - many months of excellent viewing ahead before the nights start to get shorter.

www.skyatnightmagazine.com/yourfirstscope
I think if you buy the LIDL scope you may well be very disappointed. I would go for better and bigger than that.

If your budget is roundabout those figures then IMHO you'd be far, far better off buying a decent pair of binoculars with a tripod attachment and a sturdy solid tripod. I mean astro binos - that is, they look like big fekk-off binos, the point is a) the bigger the lens, the more light they gatehr and b) the bigger they are, the heavier. Binos are almost impossible to use for any observing without a tripod, and a solid one at that. Lightweight tripods WILL NOT WORK with either binos or a scope, you will just get wobbling and vibrations and will be instantly put off.

The views from reasonable astro binos can be spectacular. Those from cheap telescopes are probaly the biggest reason why beginners quickly give up as
a) they can't see anything (Moon excepted) b) they can't find anything (c) when they do find something, eg Jupiter, if they can get a decentish view at high magnification, the target just quickly leaves the field of view as the earth rotates.

Honestly, with a cheap scope, and limited knowledge, you will get quickly fed up as you will struggle to find anything. Really, trust me on this.

What a beginner needs is probably what they won't get; namely a scope of at least 4", a heavy tripod, a good self-aligning system, and a computerised drive to find things.

rather than talk to you about specific telescope s I will point out the drawbacks, and then finish off by telling you exactly how to avoid them all.

Drawbacks:
When you take your telescope out, the following is required:

1. A flat pitch and to ensure that the tripod mount is perfectly level. That is harder than it sounds, especially on a cold night

2. Alignment. You will need to align the scope so that a vertical line from the centre of the mount points directly at the North celestial pole. Polaris, the pole star, is pretty near to it. Once aligned, then at least as the stars/planets move, you can swing the scope around on the same fixed plane, keeping targets in view.

Motorised scopes have varying standards of alignment, but all are far better than trying to DIY.

3. Finding objects. This is HARD. You need to know
a) what you want to see
b) exactly where it is
c) how to point your scope exactly in that direction
d) that you have found it!
e) then, keeping it in your eyepice as you observe it (because everything moves, all the time)

Motorised scopes take care of this for you. If properly aligned, then the scope will stay fixed on whatever you are pointing at. (Because it will rotate at the same speed as the view)

So, a motorised go-to scope has a hand controller, having aligned the scope, you just tell the hand controller what you want to look at, and off it goes and finds it for you.

i would say the worst things about this type of LIDL scope are probably not the scope itself, but people's expectations. It's not like the glossy colour images in the magazines, and while stargazing with a scope sounds wonderful (and really is!) it's crap if you don't know what to look at, and/or can't find anything.

Your solution, and something you really must do, is find out where and when your local astronomical society meets, and just turn up. This way you will find a bunch of people who will fall over themselves to help you, you'll get the chance to see all their kit and everyone will let you 'have a go'; you can't beat "hands on" experience and knowledgeable and enthusiastic "teachers". Also (and here's a great tip) they will always know of decent scopes for sale at a decent price (amateur astronomers are suckers for buying kit) and it will be a proper scope based on what suits your needs.

Best thing - as winter sets in, it really is the best time to take up stargazing - many months of excellent viewing ahead before the nights start to get shorter.

www.skyatnightmagazine.com/yourfirstscope


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Quote: DaveO "Well I have been toying with the idea of getting a telescope for a while but with a view to getting into Astro-Photography and mounting my d-slr on the end of it.

So I would need a 'scope that has one of those clever mounts that can track the movement of the night Sky for the long exposures.

No idea what kind of price range or models to go for so if we have any experts on here I'd be interested on any feedback about that.'"



read this
www.skyatnightmagazine.com/astro ... lete-guide
Job done!
Quote: DaveO "Well I have been toying with the idea of getting a telescope for a while but with a view to getting into Astro-Photography and mounting my d-slr on the end of it.

So I would need a 'scope that has one of those clever mounts that can track the movement of the night Sky for the long exposures.

No idea what kind of price range or models to go for so if we have any experts on here I'd be interested on any feedback about that.'"



read this
www.skyatnightmagazine.com/astro ... lete-guide
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I agree with FA that it is very difficult to locate stars etc with such a telescope without automated location. I haven't tried it yet but I would guess a bird watching spotting 'scope would be easier. Although magnification may only be c. 60x optical quality is likely to be better and the image the right way up.

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No, a birdwatching scope has very little light gathering ability yet that's what you really need.
Image right way up isn't a problem. Also, you're gonna have a really limited field of view, again not much use.

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cheers FA. I ll take that on board

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Quote: JerryChicken "Just by coincidence a link to this rlhttps://kielderobservatory.org/rl popped up on my Facebook page today, its a hell of a drive from Cornwall but if you're ever in the area...'"


They do regular stargazing/photography camps there, looking at going to do some Milky Way shots next year.

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Thanks for the great advice FA (I know it was directed at another user, but I, as a complete newbie, found it very useful). After looking at the sites mentioned, plus a bit of other research, I bought a SkyWatcher Evo 90mm with an AZ3 mount on Friday. Took it out last night and was absolutely amazed by what I could see - I must have spent at least 2 hours just following Jupiter around the sky. Completely hooked already.....cheers again.

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Quote: Chairman Miaow "Thanks for the great advice FA (I know it was directed at another user, but I, as a complete newbie, found it very useful). After looking at the sites mentioned, plus a bit of other research, I bought a SkyWatcher Evo 90mm with an AZ3 mount on Friday. Took it out last night and was absolutely amazed by what I could see - I must have spent at least 2 hours just following Jupiter around the sky. Completely hooked already.....cheers again.'"


Excellent.

Jupiter is superb just now, and one way to waste a bunch of time is viewing its moons. For which have a looky here:
www.astronomynow.com/javascript/ ... moons.html
Quote: Chairman Miaow "Thanks for the great advice FA (I know it was directed at another user, but I, as a complete newbie, found it very useful). After looking at the sites mentioned, plus a bit of other research, I bought a SkyWatcher Evo 90mm with an AZ3 mount on Friday. Took it out last night and was absolutely amazed by what I could see - I must have spent at least 2 hours just following Jupiter around the sky. Completely hooked already.....cheers again.'"


Excellent.

Jupiter is superb just now, and one way to waste a bunch of time is viewing its moons. For which have a looky here:
www.astronomynow.com/javascript/ ... moons.html


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 Sat 17th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Hull KR
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Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Wakefield
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Warrington
17:30
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Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Huddersfield
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St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
14:30
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Leeds
17:30
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Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
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Salford
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
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Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
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Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
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Warrington-Wakefield
SL
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Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
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20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
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St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
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