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The problem is that the country is in such a state that however worthy you think it may be, it simply can't afford the millions spent on Venables and his mate, and I could make a list of a million better uses of money.

I seriously doubt that there is a vigilante mob who would seek him out and kill him. I think there are plenty who would hound him and make his life miserable but when people who have done nothing wrong find lifesaving or extending treatment unavailable or rationed, the inappropriateness of priorities is apparent.

In modern times, before the state started spending millions on fake IDs, there is no trend of baying mobs ripping apart released killers. Indeed, I find it quite reassuring as well as surprising that so many murderers who are released without anonymity never seem to come to any harm at all from their victims' families let alone bloodthirsty mobs so where is the justification?

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I'll always remember the night I prayed for someone I felt had wronged me - Osama Bin Laden. On the day his death was reported, I closed my eyes and prayed that God be merciful to him.
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I'm not sure how he 'wronged you' but his God promised him 72 virgins so he probably couldn't care less about your prayer. If he is right he'll be up to his nuts in guts.

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Quote: ryano "I'm not sure how he 'wronged you' but his God promised him 72 virgins so he probably couldn't care less about your prayer. If he is right he'll be up to his nuts in guts.'"


I'm also a little puzzled by this although agreeing with the OP's Venable sentiments.
If I was a praying type wouldn't my time be more appropriately spent praying for the many innocent victims of all world violence?

Did the OP pray for Bush and Blair after a million innocents were murdered in their, and our, [iWar on Terror?[/i
Did the OP pray for Paul Wood (a man assume he has never met) after he left his wife for another woman, but never murdered a fellow human being, as far as I know? (Remembering the OP felt the need to start a discussion, venting his utter contempt and disgust on a public forum for said person).
Is the OP currently praying for Oscar Pistorius and Michael Le Vell?

I aren't being antagonistic, just interested in whom your (g)od deems it worthy for you to be able to clasp your hands together for?

Perhaps you have free reign to make your own judgement/decisions?

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What a mis mash of rubbish.

Why go looking for his picture? If I know what he looks like I can forgive him more?

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Quote: WIZEB "

Perhaps you have free reign to make your own judgement/decisions?'"


Prayers are a bit like Facebook friends requests, The God gets up every morning, checks his overnight mail and deletes most of them, goes for his cornflakes and then browses through whats left, if he finds something that he thinks is worthy then he forwards it to one of his elves.

Or is that Santa ?

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Quote: Mintball "I find it quite extraordinary that some people appear to believe that being abused as a child does nothing to you.'"


I agree with your sentiment and the harm it can cause to the developmental mind, though I have to say that not every child that is abused goes on to abuse.

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Venables needs us all to keep out of his face whilst he receives help for the issues he seems to still have.
Why would anyone put his photo online?
I can only think of two reasons ...
1. Some sort of crazed vigilantism to further punish him by making his life even harder to live than it is already.
2. Stupidity.


Apart from the praying bit, I agree with Kirkstaller in this thread.
Unfortunately we have many among us for whom the heated emotional response of revenge is stronger than the cool (and more difficult) response of help and forgiveness.
We shall see them posting on this thread later, I am sure.

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Quote: El Barbudo "Venables needs us all to keep out of his face whilst he receives help for the issues he seems to still have.
Why would anyone put his photo online?
I can only think of two reasons ...
1. Some sort of crazed vigilantism to further punish him by making his life even harder to live than it is already.
2. Stupidity.'"


I challenged one of the Twitterfork brigade over this last night. You'd scarcely believe the level of abuse I got by return from him and a group of mates.

I'm a lesbian, which is bad, apparently – facts don't seem to bother such sorts – I need some "c*ck", I'm fat – etc etc.

To laugh or to cry? And the latter only at the patheticness of it.

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What is is Twitterfork?


(God, I sound like a judge .... "Who is this Elvis of whom you speak?"icon_wink.gif

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Quote: El Barbudo "What is is Twitterfork?


(God, I sound like a judge .... "Who is this Elvis of whom you speak?"icon_wink.gif'"


The Twitter equivalent of a pitchfork. icon_biggrin.gif

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Now here's a good chance to self-reflect on our own behaviour.

People want to forgive a child that killed another child. An incredibly difficult ability is to TRULY forgive someone. So well done to those who really believe they are capable of it.

However. What if the grown up kid is now a racist and say a member of something like the BNP? Is it OK for his address and photo to be published by people who are after some form of vigilanteism. Is it OK to attack someone because of their (distorted) belief, but not for a child killer? Also consider that the Right winger's anger and belief could too come from an upbringing of terror, fear, violence and anxiety? All of which we now know more and more thanks to neuroscience causes arrested development in young people.

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Quote: Mintball "The Twitter equivalent of a pitchfork. Ah.

I don't do Twitter.

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Quote: El Barbudo "Ah.

I don't do Twitter.'"


Can be a very interesting and informative form of social media. But, like any other, it also allows for the simplistic idiot brigade.

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SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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