So why take my quote out of context then? However the ONS with changing methodology and in time we will have a very different recession and recovery profile. We may even gain 5% in extra GDP! As stated in the ST "Growth in recent years looked implausibly weak when set against strong employment. The productivity puzzle may evaporate with data revisions and better measurement of the surging grey/black economy identified by Morgan Stanley."

The MS report is interesting it says that there is £45Bn more cash around than in 2007 and our black economy may well have jumped from 12% to 16%. Which suggests if true that the UK's output far from being lower than in 2007 is about 4% higher! Which is one answer to the productivity puzzle ie

But this should be no surprise as the excesses of the credit fueled pre crisis bonanza were unsustainable. Life is all about change not always for the better.



But many are making up the difference on the black



Nobody said life is fair! Before the crisis we were living above our means and now we are having to pay for it. Remind me on whose watch did this all come about?

I couldn't give a shoite who's watch anything happened on, everyone knows my opinions on politicians and my opinions on financial forecasters and investment "experts" are even lower, if they really knew anything of which they pontificate they'd be making a living out of backing their own opinions with hard cash rather than being employed by someone else to "predict".

I didn't take your quote out of context, I simply took a note of caution in the hope that better times were on the way for everyone, we are currently winding down the last 12 months towards the election and we will be receiving many upbeat "forecasts" between now and then, but we will all do well to note George Osborne and his cautious approach to bigging up the economy, he doesn't do it, in fact in speeches he does the opposite and warns of harder and deeper cuts to be made post 2015, he'll let the publicists and newspapers build up the feelgood factor - there are still some hard times to come and anyone who swallows what they are being told by the more compliant media without listening to Osborne are simple fools.

Well I do care about on who's watch our economy was mismanaged and so should anyone else that plans to vote at the next election. You are a regular critic of this government and often overlook the massively difficult job they have had in overcoming the huge economic mess they inherited. This was in-part due to the world crisis and ongoing recession and other outside factors like the euro currency crisis. But it should not be forgotten it was also in-part due to the previous government's economic incompetence and mismanagement for leaving us so weak after a decade long world boom.

Although 'bigoted woman' Brown of "no more boom and bust" fame has left the stage for the long grass to line his pockets, we are still left with his two former assistants Ed 'Prefect' Milliband and Ed 'Schoolyard Bruiser' Balls-Up as choices to run our future economy. You will recall these two were economic advisors to Buster Brown and were equally guilty of the over spending and overborrowing and not forgetting the terrible decision to sell off all our gold for a pittance. Since their "flat-lining" rhetoric has been discarded due to strong growth they banked everything on their new "cost of living crisis" songsheet. Now this too is looking less convincing as inflation keeps falling and average earnings are now keeping pace and set to rise further - so this strategy too is unravelling.

In a forecast to be relased tomorrow (CEBR) Britain's economy will be nearly 2% bigger than its pre-crisis peak by next year's election. Real household disposable income (after inflation) is predicted to be 4% higher than at the last election and GDP 9% higher. So this could give Chancellor George scope for up to £7Bn of tax cuts.

You are right to finally listen to George Osborne. He has never overstated the recovery and more than anyone is aware of the many problems still to be tackled. Further deep government spending cuts will be needed if he is to meet his deficit reduction targets and he has not hidden this fact despite its vote losing appeal.

But we should not forget that two thirds of the coalition's austerity programne was inherited from Labour or that a drop in living standards was the price we had to pay for a crisis that happened on Labour's watch and the enormous and unsustainable increase in public spending from 2000 to 2010. Voters should look closely at the economic CV's of the candidates.

Why do you read the Daily Mail then?

I try to avoid both the DM and the failing Guardian

It's what reporters do, you may not like it but tough. It's no different than when the Nazi Supporting Daily Mirror or the tax avoiding Guardian whine on about how foodbanks are a tragedy in the UK and the terminally gullible lap it up and bleat on about not being able to just get free stuff or you need to produce bank statements, you clearly don't what you need is a plausible story.
FFS, people defraud governments, companies, their own families what the Hell makes people think that they won't try and defraud a charity that's handing out free stuff.

Our press are the scum of the earth and if you had access to my Twitter feed you'll see plenty of evidence.

What makes me laugh about this article is it's the Church saying it. I grew up a Catholic, or was forced to, every year there was the harvest festival where the Church collected food and doled it out to the community (my gran used to get it despite not actually needing it). Yet at the time I never recall a murmur from the priests and bishops saying how tragic it was. The simple fact is foodbanks are now organised, they even have the pithy name, "Foodbanks" the church has to all intents and purposes been cut out. No longer can they count on your "roof repair donations" because "y'know, we helped your gran". They need/want/thrive on the sick or old to keep them in business.

Oh and they're too ashamed to go to foodbanks? Really? The growth of the pound shops and the scramble at the "whoops" counter at the supermarket suggests not. Unless people want really, really cheap stuff, just not free.

rlRead thisrl it may help you understand the process of foodbank support and how its government propaganda to state that its simply handing out free food and so of course its popular.

Its a thorn in their side, they don't want to have to mention it but they have to try and counter it by any dirty trick they can come up with, bring on the Daily Mail and its readers of misinformation.

It's not propaganda though is it. Getting things for free [iis [/i popular.

Is the 'outrage' regarding the Daily Mail article because it so easily counters the 'you must be referred' rhetoric?

I understand it perfectly well, still you keep up the patronising nonsense, maybe something about football supporter politics too. That's always on your favourites list when you're clutching at straws.
You fall on hard times, you go to see someone and ask for help, they sift through your bank statements, cupboards etc (they don't need to check ashtrays as smokers don't need foodbanks) and then when they're satisfied, 5 days later, because these things don't take 5 minutes you get a golden ticket. Unless you work for the Daily Mail, then you get one that day after you've told a pack of lies.
I can't believe the 900k+ had to go through the gestapo style interview while this bloke didn't.

How's that government borrowing going?



Four years on and it's still Labour's fault. And they say that UKIP is a one joke act.



Sub-unity growth figures indiscernible from noise is strong growth? Rah rah rah.



This, again? Yawn. Before you bother with this tack again, have a look at the definition of "forecast".



Even this shower wouldn't be so brazen.



Remind me of Gideon's relevant qualifications.

It's all Labour's fault <click>
It's all Labour's fault <click>
It's all Labour's fault <click>

That record must be close to being worn out by now.

@BobbyLuvsDave ?





Bingo.

BTW, Harvest festival <> foodbank.

Easily counters ?

How do you reconcile the article headline "No ID, no checks... and vouchers for sob stories: The truth behind those shock food bank claims" with the content of the story further down when the reporter states that he was asked for his personal details and then had to answer a series of questions before the CAB considered which charity to refer him to.

Do you feel misled by The Sunday Mail on that one item alone ?

Do you wonder why they misled you in the header (which seemingly they did, easily) ?

Do you wonder why The Sunday Mail chose to insert the phrase "asylum seekers" into its second paragraph, could it be that its their traditional way of winding up their clientele into a foaming fury so that they gloss over the fine detail and the web of lies they spun to write the piece, did they hook you too ?

Incidentally the charity did nothing wrong and did not step outside their remit, they asked for, and received the voucher of entitlement to three days rations, they did not give anything away without proof of need and in this respect the reporter failed in his smear mission, in fact as a direct response to the story the charity have reported this evening that they have received cash donations in excess of £19,000 attributed to the smear - another shot through the foot for The Fail ?

Thank you for your input.

Your posts elucidate my comments and once again show that when a question is asked you obfuscate and bring back the stock dogma, this time hate.

For politeness sake and the edification of those who may want to know, besides me, will you answer the questions previously asked and a couple more.

Of what , whom or whatever am I envious off?

To whom have I been abusive?

Where in my posts has hate been written and about what?

How do you know my comments have been ignored?

and, this is the difficult question, and one I must admit I find some struggle with, I have perhaps a reasonably clear idea, if there is right and left wing, where is the centre?

I look forward to yours reply the same way I get replies to questions asked of AJW amongst others.

Howzabout this rlspecimenrl as an asylum seeker then Mr Chicken.

Black....illegal.....and now apparently so gay, he would find his life endangered back home. I should imagine that would tick enough boxes to get the usual suspects on here to start waving their PC placards.

Shame about the drug dealing and murder though, eh?