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Quote: Standee "Is it not going to Meadowhall, which is linked to the city by tram, right on the M1 and much better to serve the population than having to get into Sheffield City Centre?'"

But the Sheffield Tap is at Sheffield station, not Meadowhall.

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Quote: John_D "But the Sheffield Tap is at Sheffield station, not Meadowhall.'"


"Sheffield Tap"?

checked, it's a pub....not sure how it's relevant to the route of HS2 though.....

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This is the public transport infrastructure equivalent of spending £10,000 souping up an old Ford Fiesta so it goes 5mph faster.

It's not needed, it's not wanted and it's entirely too expensive for the benefit it provides.

As for the supposed boost to the "regions" now all these Londoners will be able to commute up here to work so much more quickly, has the government not realised that what will happen is the exact opposite?

Londoners will continue to work in London, they'll just buy a house somewhere in the Peak District to commute from instead of a flat in Hammersmith. Property prices in the areas served by HS2 will go through the roof, forcing more an more people out of the property market.

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Quote: Standee ""Sheffield Tap"?

checked, it's a pub....not sure how it's relevant to the route of HS2 though.....'"

It's the only reason for going to Sheffield.

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Quote: Standee "Is it not going to Meadowhall, which is linked to the city by tram, right on the M1 and much better to serve the population than having to get into Sheffield City Centre?

It's not going into Nottingham either, both sensible decisions given the rush hour traffic problems experienced, surely?'"


Ah right, just like Eurostar which goes from the centre of London to the centre of Paris or the centre of Lille or the centre of Brussels ?

It's a bit rich quoting quick journey times when you need to add extra time on the other end to wait for and then catch a tram into the town from which the other transport links radiate.

The M1 will need serious improvement, there are already almighty rush hour jams to get past Nottingham and Meadowhall (where widening might be a bit tricky, given the width of the Tinsley viaduct).

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Quote: El Barbudo "Ah right, just like Eurostar which goes from the centre of London to the centre of Paris or the centre of Lille or the centre of Brussels ?

It's a bit rich quoting quick journey times when you need to add extra time on the other end to wait for and then catch a tram into the town from which the other transport links radiate.

The M1 will need serious improvement, there are already almighty rush hour jams to get past Nottingham and Meadowhall (where widening might be a bit tricky, given the width of the Tinsley viaduct).'"


You're comparing Sheffield with Paris/Lille??

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Quote: Standee "You're comparing Sheffield with Paris/Lille??'"

Yes, of course.
Are you saying that Sheffield isn't worthy of a station?

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Quote: El Barbudo "Yes, of course.
Are you saying that Sheffield isn't worthy of a station?'"


Explain why you believe it is, when countless other towns/cities aren't getting HS2 anywhere near them....?

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Quote: El Barbudo "Yes, of course.
Are you saying that Sheffield isn't worthy of a station?'"
Hate to say it but Sheffield are involed within 5 miles.
The East coast has been ignored totally.

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Quote: Anakin Skywalker "Hate to say it but Sheffield are involed within 5 miles.
The East coast has been ignored totally.'"


Indeed, it's going as far as Leeds (well, that is the "plan" but as cod'ead says, believe it when we see it), a new line following the route of the A1 from London to Edinburgh would have a far bigger economic impact than shaving a 40 minutes off a trip people are already frequently making.

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Quote: Standee "Explain why you believe it is, when countless other towns/cities aren't getting HS2 anywhere near them....?'"

Eh?
You need me to explain that Sheffield is the ninth most populous urban area in the UK?
You need me to explain why, when the route isn't anywhere near the others, Sheffield gets a station and they don't?
You need me to explain how your question answers itself?

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Quote: El Barbudo "Eh?
You need me to explain that Sheffield is the ninth most populous urban area in the UK?
You need me to explain why, when the route isn't anywhere near the others, Sheffield gets a station and they don't?
You need me to explain how your question answers itself?'"


And which part of "Meadowhall" getting a station are you missing.

Do you live/work in/near Sheffield by any chance, and what %ge of the large population in Sheffield are actually likely to use the route, all the people on the Manor Estate maybe?

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Quote: Standee "And which part of "Meadowhall" getting a station are you missing.'"

None ... which part of having to cross the city to get to Meadowhall (which a lot of population will need to do) do you not understand?

Quote: Standee "Do you live/work in/near Sheffield by any chance, and what %ge of the large population in Sheffield are actually likely to use the route, all the people on the Manor Estate maybe?'"

Again you are unable to present a relevant question.
Do not London, Birmingham, Leeds etc etc have "problem" estates too?
Does that disqualify those cities from investment and or railways?
Are you saying that Manor Estate is typical of the area as a whole and those kind of people won't use the new line? .... because that's what it sounds like.

Or are you simply being obtuse?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess the latter.

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Quote: El Barbudo "None ... which part of having to cross the city to get to Meadowhall (which a lot of population will need to do) do you not understand?

Again you are unable to present a relevant question.
Do not London, Birmingham, Leeds etc etc have "problem" estates too?
Does that disqualify those cities from investment and or railways?
Are you saying that Manor Estate is typical of the area as a whole and those kind of people won't use the new line? .... because that's what it sounds like.

Or are you simply being obtuse?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess the latter.'"


Again, you selectively answer, but hey ho, I am used to it.

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Quote: Standee "Again, you selectively answer, but hey ho, I am used to it.'"

Look, to try to counter a fact about large population size by chucking in a random remark about a "problem" estate to bolster your intimation that a Sheffield station would be little used is, to put it kindly, facile.

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20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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