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| Quote: Standee "Is it not going to Meadowhall, which is linked to the city by tram, right on the M1 and much better to serve the population than having to get into Sheffield City Centre?'"
But the Sheffield Tap is at Sheffield station, not Meadowhall.
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| Quote: John_D "But the Sheffield Tap is at Sheffield station, not Meadowhall.'"
"Sheffield Tap"?
checked, it's a pub....not sure how it's relevant to the route of HS2 though.....
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| This is the public transport infrastructure equivalent of spending £10,000 souping up an old Ford Fiesta so it goes 5mph faster.
It's not needed, it's not wanted and it's entirely too expensive for the benefit it provides.
As for the supposed boost to the "regions" now all these Londoners will be able to commute up here to work so much more quickly, has the government not realised that what will happen is the exact opposite?
Londoners will continue to work in London, they'll just buy a house somewhere in the Peak District to commute from instead of a flat in Hammersmith. Property prices in the areas served by HS2 will go through the roof, forcing more an more people out of the property market.
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| Quote: Standee ""Sheffield Tap"?
checked, it's a pub....not sure how it's relevant to the route of HS2 though.....'"
It's the only reason for going to Sheffield.
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| Quote: Standee "Is it not going to Meadowhall, which is linked to the city by tram, right on the M1 and much better to serve the population than having to get into Sheffield City Centre?
It's not going into Nottingham either, both sensible decisions given the rush hour traffic problems experienced, surely?'"
Ah right, just like Eurostar which goes from the centre of London to the centre of Paris or the centre of Lille or the centre of Brussels ?
It's a bit rich quoting quick journey times when you need to add extra time on the other end to wait for and then catch a tram into the town from which the other transport links radiate.
The M1 will need serious improvement, there are already almighty rush hour jams to get past Nottingham and Meadowhall (where widening might be a bit tricky, given the width of the Tinsley viaduct).
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| Quote: El Barbudo "Ah right, just like Eurostar which goes from the centre of London to the centre of Paris or the centre of Lille or the centre of Brussels ?
It's a bit rich quoting quick journey times when you need to add extra time on the other end to wait for and then catch a tram into the town from which the other transport links radiate.
The M1 will need serious improvement, there are already almighty rush hour jams to get past Nottingham and Meadowhall (where widening might be a bit tricky, given the width of the Tinsley viaduct).'"
You're comparing Sheffield with Paris/Lille??
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| Quote: Standee "You're comparing Sheffield with Paris/Lille??'"
Yes, of course.
Are you saying that Sheffield isn't worthy of a station?
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| Quote: El Barbudo "Yes, of course.
Are you saying that Sheffield isn't worthy of a station?'"
Explain why you believe it is, when countless other towns/cities aren't getting HS2 anywhere near them....?
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| Quote: El Barbudo "Yes, of course.
Are you saying that Sheffield isn't worthy of a station?'" Hate to say it but Sheffield are involed within 5 miles.
The East coast has been ignored totally.
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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "Hate to say it but Sheffield are involed within 5 miles.
The East coast has been ignored totally.'"
Indeed, it's going as far as Leeds (well, that is the "plan" but as cod'ead says, believe it when we see it), a new line following the route of the A1 from London to Edinburgh would have a far bigger economic impact than shaving a 40 minutes off a trip people are already frequently making.
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| Quote: Standee "Explain why you believe it is, when countless other towns/cities aren't getting HS2 anywhere near them....?'"
Eh?
You need me to explain that Sheffield is the ninth most populous urban area in the UK?
You need me to explain why, when the route isn't anywhere near the others, Sheffield gets a station and they don't?
You need me to explain how your question answers itself?
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| Quote: El Barbudo "Eh?
You need me to explain that Sheffield is the ninth most populous urban area in the UK?
You need me to explain why, when the route isn't anywhere near the others, Sheffield gets a station and they don't?
You need me to explain how your question answers itself?'"
And which part of "Meadowhall" getting a station are you missing.
Do you live/work in/near Sheffield by any chance, and what %ge of the large population in Sheffield are actually likely to use the route, all the people on the Manor Estate maybe?
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| Quote: Standee "And which part of "Meadowhall" getting a station are you missing.'"
None ... which part of having to cross the city to get to Meadowhall (which a lot of population will need to do) do you not understand?
Quote: Standee "Do you live/work in/near Sheffield by any chance, and what %ge of the large population in Sheffield are actually likely to use the route, all the people on the Manor Estate maybe?'"
Again you are unable to present a relevant question.
Do not London, Birmingham, Leeds etc etc have "problem" estates too?
Does that disqualify those cities from investment and or railways?
Are you saying that Manor Estate is typical of the area as a whole and those kind of people won't use the new line? .... because that's what it sounds like.
Or are you simply being obtuse?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess the latter.
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| Quote: El Barbudo "None ... which part of having to cross the city to get to Meadowhall (which a lot of population will need to do) do you not understand?
Again you are unable to present a relevant question.
Do not London, Birmingham, Leeds etc etc have "problem" estates too?
Does that disqualify those cities from investment and or railways?
Are you saying that Manor Estate is typical of the area as a whole and those kind of people won't use the new line? .... because that's what it sounds like.
Or are you simply being obtuse?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess the latter.'"
Again, you selectively answer, but hey ho, I am used to it.
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| Quote: Standee "Again, you selectively answer, but hey ho, I am used to it.'"
Look, to try to counter a fact about large population size by chucking in a random remark about a "problem" estate to bolster your intimation that a Sheffield station would be little used is, to put it kindly, facile.
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