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| Quote: SmokeyTA "52605 paid money to celebrate her death. There were bonfires and street parties in Brixton, Glasgow, Leeds, Liverpool, Belfast Cardiff, 3000 in Trafalgar Square. All corners of the uk. They asked to hold a minutes silence at the football games that weekend and were laughed out of the room.
As that well known left wing propaganda piece of the left The Economist said " Perhaps no previous recipient of a state send-off—not even William Gladstone—has inspired such loathing as Lady Thatcher."'"
To be fair, there was that bloke who had "she never turned" tattoed on his shin
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "52605 paid money to celebrate her death. There were bonfires and street parties in Brixton, Glasgow, Leeds, Liverpool, Belfast Cardiff, 3000 in Trafalgar Square. All corners of the uk. They asked to hold a minutes silence at the football games that weekend and were laughed out of the room.
As that well known left wing propaganda piece of the left The Economist said " Perhaps no previous recipient of a state send-off—not even William Gladstone—has inspired such loathing as Lady Thatcher."'"
It wasn't 52,605 people though was it? It was a few thousand people that purchased a record over and over again.
3000 people in Trafalgar square? Is that it? There were 2,300 at her funeral....
I think you need a bit more evidence to suggest this "History has judged, her reign was weighed, measured and found massively wanting. She will, forever be remembered for the damage she caused. Its over".
You might think this. The majority don't.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "52605 paid money to celebrate her death. There were bonfires and street parties in Brixton, Glasgow, Leeds, Liverpool, Belfast Cardiff, 3000 in Trafalgar Square. All corners of the uk. They asked to hold a minutes silence at the football games that weekend and were laughed out of the room.
As that well known left wing propaganda piece of the left The Economist said " Perhaps no previous recipient of a state send-off—not even William Gladstone—has inspired such loathing as Lady Thatcher."'"
It always makes me smile that when all else fails, you left wing types resort to childish insults, and regurgitate the same old nonsense......and best of all, some of you actually believe it!
We are well aware that The Iron Lady was not without her faults, the Poll Tax her most glaring one, and it was the self same faults that lead to her eventual downfall, but as the first woman Prime Minister of Great Britain I think her accomplishments far outweigh the petty antics of the morons you seem to set great store by.
Anyhow, here's the link to replace the paragraphs La Mint rldeletedrl.
Feel free to make an educated rebuttal of the analyisis.
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| Quote: Ajw71 "It wasn't 52,605 people though was it? It was a few thousand people that purchased a record over and over again.
3000 people in Trafalgar square? Is that it? There were 2,300 at her funeral....
I think you need a bit more evidence to suggest this "History has judged, her reign was weighed, measured and found massively wanting. She will, forever be remembered for the damage she caused. Its over".
You might think this. The majority don't.'"
Can you provide evidence only a few people purchased the track over and over?
And yes that's 3k in Trafalgar Square, with more throughout the towns and cities of Britain.
They didn't celebrate as much when Shipman died. In fact I struggle to remember anyone since Hitler whose death was greeted with as much celebration in this country.
It is forever now, recorded historical fact that large numbers of people actively celebrated her death, whereas the man she dismissed as a terrorist was almost universally mourned. I can think of no more clear cut decision that history can hand down to a PM than dying an old, irrelevant woman, unable to wipe her own bottom, still hated, still reviled, with people dancing on her grave. I don't believe in an afterlife, so that is just about as close to hell as I can imagine.
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| Quote: rumpelstiltskin "It always makes me smile that when all else fails, you left wing types resort to childish insults, and regurgitate the same old nonsense......and best of all, some of you actually believe it!
We are well aware that The Iron Lady was not without her faults, the Poll Tax her most glaring one, and it was the self same faults that lead to her eventual downfall, but as the first woman Prime Minister of Great Britain I think her accomplishments far outweigh the petty antics of the morons you seem to set great store by.
Anyhow, here's the link to replace the paragraphs La Mint rldeletedrl.
Feel free to make an educated rebuttal of the analyisis.'" the only opinion in there was that they were laughed out of the room when discussing a minutes silence for her. In fact what fans group said was "it would be a disgrace and an insult to all football fans"
Everything else I put is recorded fact
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Quote: SmokeyTA "Can you provide evidence only a few people purchased the track over and over?
And yes that's 3k in Trafalgar Square, with more throughout the towns and cities of Britain.
They didn't celebrate as much when Shipman died. In fact I struggle to remember anyone since Hitler whose death was greeted with as much celebration in this country.
It is forever now, recorded historical fact that large numbers of people actively celebrated her death, whereas the man she dismissed as a terrorist was almost universally mourned. I can think of no more clear cut decision that history can hand down to a PM than dying an old, irrelevant woman, unable to wipe her own bottom, still hated, still reviled, with people dancing on her grave. I don't believe in an afterlife, so that is just about as close to hell as I can imagine.'"
Three thousand people out of a population of c.65 million. Wow.
I imagine 'large' numbers of people in the Confederate States of America celebrated the death of Abe Lincoln. Doesn't really affect how he is viewed now.
You want to look at various rankings of British prime ministers through the years. They are nicely collated here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical ... st_war_PMs
You will notice Thatcher is ranked highly across various polls / surveys.
Doesn't really tally with your earlier statement does it? By all means have your opinion, but don't tell me it's what the majority believe because it's not.
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Quote: SmokeyTA "Can you provide evidence only a few people purchased the track over and over?
And yes that's 3k in Trafalgar Square, with more throughout the towns and cities of Britain.
They didn't celebrate as much when Shipman died. In fact I struggle to remember anyone since Hitler whose death was greeted with as much celebration in this country.
It is forever now, recorded historical fact that large numbers of people actively celebrated her death, whereas the man she dismissed as a terrorist was almost universally mourned. I can think of no more clear cut decision that history can hand down to a PM than dying an old, irrelevant woman, unable to wipe her own bottom, still hated, still reviled, with people dancing on her grave. I don't believe in an afterlife, so that is just about as close to hell as I can imagine.'"
Three thousand people out of a population of c.65 million. Wow.
I imagine 'large' numbers of people in the Confederate States of America celebrated the death of Abe Lincoln. Doesn't really affect how he is viewed now.
You want to look at various rankings of British prime ministers through the years. They are nicely collated here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical ... st_war_PMs
You will notice Thatcher is ranked highly across various polls / surveys.
Doesn't really tally with your earlier statement does it? By all means have your opinion, but don't tell me it's what the majority believe because it's not.
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| Quote: Ajw71 "Three thousand people out of a population of c.65 million. Wow.
I imagine 'large' numbers of people in the Confederate States of America celebrated the death of Abe Lincoln. Doesn't really affect how he is viewed now.
You want to look at various rankings of British prime ministers through the years. They are nicely collated here:
Bloody hell, I'm not getting involved with a surveys and Thatcher. Can't we just post the link to the last time you tried that and were chewed up and spat out by various posters? Seems quicker and easier if I'm honest
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Bloody hell, I'm not getting involved with a surveys and Thatcher. Can't we just post the link to the last time you tried that and were chewed up and spat out by various posters? Seems quicker and easier if I'm honest'"
The last time I posted it, 'Him' who has a similar viewpoint to yours on this matter but has yet to produce a shred of evidence to support his opinion (at least you have, albeit very weak) attempted to discredit every single poll / survey including those of thousands of people simply because he said so. Quite ridiculous really.
Strange isn't it don't you think? You state that she was 'found wanting' etc etc. Then surely she should be at the bottom of these polls / surveys, shouldn't she?
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Some interesting points - I have read Mazzucato's book and it does indeed raise some interesting concepts/theories - I am not sure how practical many of them are. The idea that the state is the route of innovation is flawed for me. If you look at drug treatment virtually every advancement in drug care has come from the private sector. '"
Really? Jonas Salks family will be please to hear that I'm sure. Must billions on its way to them. Louis Pasteur, Edward Jenner too
Quote: Sal Paradise "Developments in serious medical machines, MRI scanners etc, have all come from the private sector.'" Madame Curie, Wilhelm Rontgen and Herman Carr Vladislav Ivanov (a Russian communist no less) are very surprised to hear this. Sir Peter Mansfield (of Nottingham University) and Paul Lauterbur (university of Illinois) asked who at Glaxosmithklne they should give their Nobel prize for discoveries concerning magnetic resonance imaging to? Quote: Sal Paradise "Engine technology particularly internal combustion and jet engines are driven by private enterprise. Computer technology/communication technology is again private.'" Charles Babbage, Alan Turing sir Tim Berners-Lee, max Newman and Tom Kilburn might disagree.
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| Quote: Ajw71 "The last time I posted it, 'Him' who has a similar viewpoint to yours on this matter but has yet to produce a shred of evidence to support his opinion (at least you have, albeit very weak) attempted to discredit every single poll / survey including those of thousands of people simply because he said so. Quite ridiculous really.
Strange isn't it don't you think? You state that she was 'found wanting' etc etc. Then surely she should be at the bottom of these polls / surveys, shouldn't she?'"
The first 5 of those have sample sizes of 106, 258, 20, 22 and 1. Come with me to Grimethorpe and we cane find 200 people and ask thm what they think of her and pretend that's representative if you want?
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| Quote: Ajw71 "You will notice Thatcher is ranked highly across various polls / surveys.'"
You really are a glutton for punishment aren't you
Too much battery licking methinks.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "The first 5 of those have sample sizes of 106, 258, 20, 22 and 1. Come with me to Grimethorpe and we cane find 200 people and ask thm what they think of her and pretend that's representative if you want?'"
and the poll with 27,000 responses....and the BBC poll with over 30,000?
Take your Grimethorpe polll and come back to me.
The fact is history is remembering her as a successful prime minister, whether you like it or not. In 100 years time when the bitter pockets of hatred for Thatcher have long since been forgotten school children will look at these polls / surveys and see what the great British public thought / think of the Iron Lady. History is written by the victors and she was certainly victorious.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Really? Jonas Salks family will be please to hear that I'm sure. Must billions on its way to them. Louis Pasteur, Edward Jenner too
Madame Curie, Wilhelm Rontgen and Herman Carr Vladislav Ivanov (a Russian communist no less) are very surprised to hear this. Sir Peter Mansfield (of Nottingham University) and Paul Lauterbur (university of Illinois) asked who at Glaxosmithklne they should give their Nobel prize for discoveries concerning magnetic resonance imaging to? Charles Babbage, Alan Turing sir Tim Berners-Lee, max Newman and Tom Kilburn might disagree.'"
As might Karl Benz, Raymond Damadian might have something to say about the award to Mansfield & Lauterbur, Rolls Royce, IBM, Johannes Gutenberg, James Black/ICI, John Vane/Wellcome David Wong/Eli Lilly we could go on and on.
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| Quote: Big Graeme "You really are a glutton for punishment aren't you
You know when I mentioned left wing types and their childish comments.......?
Might be a good idea if you reverted to type and locked it, as I can't really see any educated discussion coming any time soon.
Tomorrow's another day Big Man.
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| Quote: rumpelstiltskin "You know when I mentioned left wing types and their childish comments.......?'"
Yu are aware of the posters history with polls? It's a valid comment my friend
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