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Quote: Sal Paradise "As I said on numerous ocassions I have no issues with a socialist earning £1m as long as they don't spout fairness from such a lofty position - hypocritical IMO.

We go back to McClusky - borderline communist if you listen to him sat in his comfy office with final salary scheme, health care etc funded by members who are sadly not party to such benefits spouting fairness and 'we are all in it together'.'"


Would you also consider William Wilberforce to be a hypocrite too?

After all, surely it should only be slaves who campaigned to abolish slavery, anyone else would simply be hyprocitial to do so

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Quote: Mintball "If you really believe matters are a simplistic as that, I'm afraid that you're showing your ignorance.'"


How so?

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Quote: Mintball "Yes – this is precisely the bølløcks you keep coming out with.

And in which case, you were asked what pay a "real socialist" should receive in order to be allowed to comment on unfairness etc without you getting your dander up. You have not done so.

And this is more of your usual bølløcks, showing – yet again – that you don't know the first thing about hypocrisy. You claim that, at a certain financial point (never stated) it become hypocritical to comment on societal unfairness. Yet you think that an organisation should act in direct contravention of what it has as its aims – and don't understand that that would be hypocritical.

That was not the point. Sal has claimed that, at certain levels of pay, one becomes a hypocrite if one comments on unfairness in society etc. It was pointed out to him (not by me) that this logic means that no non-slave should have campaigned against slavery, but he continues to peddle it. And he has repeatedly refused to explain what level of remuneration one should be allowed if one is still allowed to comment on these matters without upsetting him.

I suspect that, when people in general comment negatively about "high earners" (and such people are hardly limited to any one political side), they're not talking about £90k (plus pension and employer's NI contributions, which is the reality of the headline figure on Crow's 'wage'), but about people getting millions – in many cases, in situations where other employees in the same company/organisation have had their pay driven down, or where they have done nothing to earn massive bonuses (see the recent case involving the Co-operative Bank).'"


More Minty diatribe!!

It is hypocritical to spout equality, fairness and wealth spread from a lofty position - the fact you cannot see that says much about your own thought processes and possibly your own cosy position? In a socialist system the level of remuneration should be in context to all those have an input into generating that wealth. You cannot put a figure on it because no two circumstances are identical - I know that urinates on your bonfire but that's life.

Take Richard Rogers - in his practice there is multiple between the lowest earner and the highest of ten times so if the top man wants to pay himself more he has to raise the salaries of the lowest earner. That seems like a sensible socialist compromise? The fact that he introduced after he had made his millions is a point to note.

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Interesting comment from an interview with Vince Cable today in The Observer...

Quote: It's not that I need the money, it is because others get it so I should, too. "I don't understand why people need a million quid a year. I've asked one or two of the more sympathetic bankers to explain it to me. The response has been

Can't find much to disagree with really, for the vast majority of folk a salary of one hundred thousand a year even before tax would be very difficult to spend after the first few months of reckless abandon and the realisation that jet skis and speedboats, ferraris and paying more than £30 for a course in a restaurant is just a way to burn your money and make someone else wealthy at your expense - why would you require ten times that amount every year ?

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Mr Cable putting in this CV for a job in the next Lib/Lab Government?

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Quote: JerryChicken "Interesting comment from an interview with Vince Cable today in The Observer...

Can't find much to disagree with really, for the vast majority of folk a salary of one hundred thousand a year even before tax would be very difficult to spend after the first few months of reckless abandon and the realisation that jet skis and speedboats, ferraris and paying more than £30 for a course in a restaurant is just a way to burn your money and make someone else wealthy at your expense - why would you require ten times that amount every year ?'"


Why does it matter what other people earn? A banker earning millions of pounds a year does not in anyway affect your life. You do not earn less just because somebody else earns more. The recent increase in Wayne Rooney's salary to £300k per week has not meant that my salary, your salary or Vince Cable's salary have seen corresponding decreases.

People need to stop being blinded by jealously and envy. I will never understand why somebody becoming enormously rich through sheer luck of winning £104 million on the Euromillions is something to celebrate whereas somebody becoming equally wealthy through hard work, entrepreneurship and talent is lambasted. This drive to the bottom, this celebration of mediocrity needs to stop. Instead of bashing the successful, people should look up to them and seek to emulate them.

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Quote: David Titan "Why does it matter what other people earn? A banker earning millions of pounds a year does not in anyway affect your life. You do not earn less just because somebody else earns more. The recent increase in Wayne Rooney's salary to £300k per week has not meant that my salary, your salary or Vince Cable's salary have seen corresponding decreases.

People need to stop being blinded by jealously and envy. I will never understand why somebody becoming enormously rich through sheer luck of winning £104 million on the Euromillions is something to celebrate whereas somebody becoming equally wealthy through hard work, entrepreneurship and talent is lambasted. This drive to the bottom, this celebration of mediocrity needs to stop. Instead of bashing the successful, people should look up to them and seek to emulate them.'"


I know it's late but I'm getting my shorts on and going out with the ball to try emulate Wayne Rooney. This time tomorrow I'll be a millionaire.

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Quote: David Titan "Why does it matter what other people earn? A banker earning millions of pounds a year does not in anyway affect your life. You do not earn less just because somebody else earns more. The recent increase in Wayne Rooney's salary to £300k per week has not meant that my salary, your salary or Vince Cable's salary have seen corresponding decreases.

People need to stop being blinded by jealously and envy. I will never understand why somebody becoming enormously rich through sheer luck of winning £104 million on the Euromillions is something to celebrate whereas somebody becoming equally wealthy through hard work, entrepreneurship and talent is lambasted. This drive to the bottom, this celebration of mediocrity needs to stop. Instead of bashing the successful, people should look up to them and seek to emulate them.'"

One day joined up thinking May arrive in your world, but it doubt if I will be around to see it.
May I suggest you look again at your first sentence and then re-read your post..
It's a big world outside your current bubble and interactivity does take place.

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Quote: David Titan "People need to stop being blinded by jealously and envy. I will never understand why somebody becoming enormously rich through sheer luck of winning £104 million on the Euromillions is something to celebrate whereas somebody becoming equally wealthy through hard work, entrepreneurship and talent is lambasted. This drive to the bottom, this celebration of mediocrity needs to stop. Instead of bashing the successful, people should look up to them and seek to emulate them.'"


"entrepreneurship and talent" - I too have no problem with people earning high salaries for this sort of thing.

So, back to the bankers (which is what Vince Cable was talking about), the entrepreneurship element of what they do, its their own money they gamble with is it, they lose their own houses when they make a balls-up do they, declare themselves bankrupt and jobless when they make bad decisions ?

We won't bother with the talent part of the equation - see above.

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Quote: Leaguefan "One day joined up thinking May arrive in your world, but it doubt if I will be around to see it.
May I suggest you look again at your first sentence and then re-read your post..
It's a big world outside your current bubble and interactivity does take place.'"


Tell me, what is the correlation between the amount of money I have in the Bank and you. I don't earn a million dollar salary BTW. In fact I don't earn a salary at all. No, I am not one of the Benefit Brigade who lurk at the edges of this forum. I made enough to retire early, so is there some figure in your little Red Book which is acceptable to your good self? 1k, 10k, 100k, 500k?


And is it any of your business?

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin "
And is it any of your business?'"


This from Spunkskin who has been obsessively stalking the Chicken all week..... icon_lol.gif

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Quote: WIZEB "This from Spunkskin who has been obsessively stalking the Chicken all week.....
Ah, the native wit of the Humbersider......sparkling repartee at its finest!

I can't help speculating Wizeb, that HM Government would get a better return on its £70 per week if it did indeed invest in chickens, rather than pursue the fairly forlorn hope of finding you employment. And the eggs, and eventually the actual chicken would provide a welcome extra at all those foodbanks that are springing up. Benevolence and Economics in action.

Gallus gallus domesticus..... its the future!

Just what was your last job by the way?

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin "

Just what was your last job by the way?'"


Detective.
Would you like some home tuition now you've hung up your boots?

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin "Tell me, what is the correlation between the amount of money I have in the Bank and you. I don't earn a million dollar salary BTW. In fact I don't earn a salary at all. No, I am not one of the Benefit Brigade who lurk at the edges of this forum. I made enough to retire early, so is there some figure in your little Red Book which is acceptable to your good self? 1k, 10k, 100k, 500k?


And is it any of your business?'"

My comment regarding Titan is applicable to you, if you can work out why.
A small clue!

You have to look at the big picture.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "More Minty diatribe!!

It is hypocritical to spout equality, fairness and wealth spread from a lofty position - the fact you cannot see that says much about your own thought processes and possibly your own cosy position? In a socialist system the level of remuneration should be in context to all those have an input into generating that wealth. You cannot put a figure on it because no two circumstances are identical - I know that urinates on your bonfire but that's life.

Take Richard Rogers - in his practice there is multiple between the lowest earner and the highest of ten times so if the top man wants to pay himself more he has to raise the salaries of the lowest earner. That seems like a sensible socialist compromise? The fact that he introduced after he had made his millions is a point to note.'"


So, another little rant to cover up the fact that you cannot answer the question but still keep spouting the same drivel.

Then you come up with an example of a pay system that you apparently approve of _ although I'm not aware that it's a 'socialist' one. But perhaps you can now show that in Bob Crow's case, his salary was more than 10 times the salary of anyone else who was/is an employee of the RMT.

Allowing for the figure of £143,000 (which is false, since that includes the NI paid by his employer, the RMT), but sticking with it anyway, that means that you'll be able to find those RMT employees who earn less than £14,300 a year.

I await your data.

In my case, I am freelance and am doing quite decently, thank you for asking, but were I to be employing anyone, then using the equation you cite, I'd have to ensure none of them were on less than about £3,500 a year.

So can we now put to bed this farcical nonsense about people 'being too well off to dare empathise with those doing worse', for which you can only now even produce a vague idea of what that means, but without anything to suggest that those that you whinge about with this drivel do not abide by.

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20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
20:00
Catalans
v
Salford
 Thu 24th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull KR
 Fri 25th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Salford
v
Leigh
 Sat 26th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
17:30
Catalans
v
Wakefield
 Sun 27th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
15:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
 Sat 3rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Leigh
v
Catalans
17:15
Hull KR
v
Salford
19:30
St.Helens
v
Leeds
 Sun 4th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
13:00
Huddersfield
v
Hull FC
15:15
Wigan
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Wakefield
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
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SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
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20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
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St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
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