Wow, 50 years is a long time to believe in/follow something and then not. Must have been hard.

well, after decades of praying and asking for help I suddenly had a string of circumstances where people stabbed me in the back and famlily illness and other bad things made me realise that there just cannot be a God by any name - I basically lost the faith because if a God did exist then he/it wouldn't put me and my family through the pain we are suffering - all pleas for help were ignored - many, including Kirkstaller will say that it's either a punishment for past sins or a 'test' of faith - I used to actually believe that but realise that this not actually the case.
I believe in the afterlife though but don't see how that has to be intrinsically linked to any deity or higher power

I respect anyones religious or non religious beliefs but I believe the bible is a fictional work which was compiled over the centuries to be a user manual to life, a historical storybook for people to read about life few thousand years ago and a work of propaganda and blackmail to get people to hand over their money and services to the church in exchange for eternal life

I think we will get eternal life (or go to hell) but don't see how any God needs to be involved in the process - Kirkstaller and the like will call me contradictory of course but that's what I feel.

anyone interested in learning about God & believing etc should read the Book of Romans written by Paul which is interesting and quite persuasive - it's quite thought provoking and easily the best bit of he bible for me for those looking to be converted

Tell you what, I'm in Birmingham tomorrow and Thursday night so I might dig out the Gideons bible from the bedside drawer in the hotel room and have a read of that.

On the other hand I've just downloaded "Marley and Me" onto the eReader so I might read that instead, and of course Thursday night is always Big Wok night in Brum...

This kind of sums it up for me. The bible & other religous books are like everything, open to interpretation. It's these interpretations, (along with all the problems they cause) that I'm not keen on.

One of my faves is that women can't be priests because Paul said so. Also all the apostles were men, so how can a woman be so exalted. HELLO< they were all Jews, so obviously all priests should be Jews.

We'll be seeing threads like these all the time, this is KS preaching. He doesn't care how much he gets mocked as long as he's spreading the word of 'god'.

He isn't open to debate, he's an homophobic , sexist, bigot who can't come to terms with death. He can believe in what he wants but he shouldn't be allowed to force his evil on others.

He's shown his hand on many occasion, he starts off nice saying he only wants to save us and then takes great delight in telling us were all going to hell.

Self righteous .

This topic has now turned into what is a good topic to discuss to just slagging off Kirkstaller the majority had their say in that massive thread from a few weeks ago, can we just ignore the moon pixy lover, he'll never change his mind even if the big bang and eternal nothingness slap him in the face.

Have you ever read Terry Pratchett's Discworld novel 'Small Gods'.

Explains it perfectly.

errhh yes, interesting question FA !

how was God created ? and when the world ends, will God 'end' ?

that's one to ask KS or the next Witness who comes knocking at your door...

I've asked him who created the creator before, he's got nothing, none of them have.

Pointless and futile, while science marches on these idiots want to drag us back to the dark ages where tyranny, hate and fear ruled.

I don't know who created God, if he even had a creator that is.

Try rlMyako Teppanyakirl mate, it's like cooking and eating in a circus

It wasn't just any apple - it was fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The Fall of Man is actually very much like Tony Nicklinson's case (apologies for bringing the thread back ON topic). Tony Nicklinson wants to play God as much as Adam and Eve did.



Because any of us in Adam's place would have done the same thing.



God did not create Satan.

Satan was originally a holy angel called Lucifer. Lucifer became arrogant and jealous and he decided that he wanted to be better than God. He was subsequently cast out of Heaven and he came to live in our world.



I don’t agree with that analogy, but in any case the kid is to blame.



The consequence of Adam’s sin.



God is sovereign. Who are you, a mere human being, to question his plan?.



How can you say it is an overreaction? You underestimate the severity of sin.



He gave us free will.

He created the set, the actors, the script – but he lets us decide what actually happens on stage.



I wouldn’t say that any of the Bible is lunacy. Perhaps Mintball would care to oblige?



Inherited sin.



All babies are sinful.



I have yet to see any logic or reason from you, only tantrums at how unfair you think God is.

Yep clearly not brain washed.