Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Can you explain to me how biting into an apple equals "wanting to be god"? You fail to consider my question, which is what was so bad about eating an apple? It may have been against the rules, but WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT IT?'"
It wasn't just any apple - it was fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The Fall of Man is actually very much like Tony Nicklinson's case (apologies for bringing the thread back ON topic). Tony Nicklinson wants to play God as much as Adam and Eve did.
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "You don't address the question at all of why all descendants should be condemned to death and to suffer diseases etc for something that was not their doing.'"
Because any of us in Adam's place would have done the same thing.
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Who created Satan? You also overlook that god [iknew[/i that if Satan was allowed to tempt his creations, they would succumb, yet you weirdly still blame them.'"
God did not create Satan.
Satan was originally a holy angel called Lucifer. Lucifer became arrogant and jealous and he decided that he wanted to be better than God. He was subsequently cast out of Heaven and he came to live in our world.
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "In any meaningful sense. A reasonable analogy would be giving a kid in a garage full of petrol some matches and some lighters to play with, and telling it not to touch them, then blaming the kid for the explosion.'"
I don’t agree with that analogy, but in any case the kid is to blame.
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "WTF is "the fall of mankind"?'"
The consequence of Adam’s sin.
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "But at least you admit that in the fairy story, it was all planned by god. This makes it weird that you do not blame god when his plans come to fruition, but I understand that logic isn't your strong suit.'"
God is sovereign. Who are you, a mere human being, to question his plan?.
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "If it was, why do you not think that god's infinitely disproportionate over-reaction to it is as utterly absurd as it sounds to us non-believers?'"
How can you say it is an overreaction? You underestimate the severity of sin.
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "According to your tall tale, he wrote the script, he designed the model, he knew exactly what it would do, so he is 100% responsible. I'm surprised even you can't see that one.'"
He gave us free will.
He created the set, the actors, the script – but he lets us decide what actually happens on stage.
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "That only counts for brainwashed believers. As god does not exist, there is no such thing to me as "his word". People who do not believe the fairy stories by definition aren't going to accept the fairy story as being evidence of itself, but the question would be why do believers so uncritically swallow every single thing however ludicrous, just because it is in some collection of old texts? Especially given some of the ramblings (Mintball is the expert on them) contained in the same works which even you would surely dismiss as lunatic?'"
I wouldn’t say that any of the Bible is lunacy. Perhaps Mintball would care to oblige?
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "This is unacceptable. A new born baby cannot be a "sinner". What sin can it commit?'"
Inherited sin.
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Why just some babies, why not all of them?'"
All babies are sinful.
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Please try to use logic and reason if you try to answer. Throwing in more random quotes from your particular book is as useless as it is self-fulfilling. This stuff just the [iproposition[/i; it is not, and never can be, [ievidence[/i of its own "truth", for the reason I have set out.'"
I have yet to see any logic or reason from you, only tantrums at how unfair you think God is.
