From todays briefing, it seems that the cloak and mirrors will continue with the track and trace system that has been promised.
Apparently we are training staff but, the app is some way from being ready but, apparently, we will be "ready" at the beginning of June ??

Why cant they just be honest

Massive political no-win for Johnson there, imo. We have already exited the the EU though, btw.

There isn’t even the outline of a new deal/relationship, so to continue and gamble on getting one by the end of the year... that’ll mean eating poop or a disorderly end to the transition.

Give up now and start preparing for no deal, with a huge recession looming - that’ll annoy those who wouldn’t vote for him anyway... and whatever is left of the pragmatic, moderate middle.

Agree an extension, annoying his redline/no new deal base.

His only hope, imo, is that his base is still so bought in to him as a personality that they’ll believe in/forgive whatever he does as necessary and for the best. Explaining away a delay as being okay given the exceptional circumstances (fair enough), or ignoring/spinning his compromises, as they did for the exit agreement. 5 or 6 weeks to decide - that’s ample time, I’m sure.

What has changed since we have left btw? We are still paying in and will do until the end of Dec. We are still subject to the rulings of the ECJ, EU boats are still shipping in our waters etc.

I disagree - we need to prepare for leaving with no deal anything above that is a bonus. The EU have shown their hand - we must follow their rules on state aid, participation of the ECJ, no changes to fishing etc. What possible benefit is having a delay going to give? IMO it would be the opposite you would showing the EU your concerns about going it alone and then you really would be on the end of a really poor deal. It is not in anyone's interest for us to leave on WTO terms but the economy wont collapse further than it already is going to - the impact of no deal will be very modest compared to impact Covid will have. The impact calcs. were based on the economy as it was not as it will be!!

I appreciate that any delay for the remain camp is a good idea because deep down the genuinely believe the result of the referendum can be null and voided if we never get to a deal, I suspect the EU are hoping for the same.

Isn't that like saying, "the window is already smashed. Just chuck another brick through it"?

The only upside of no deal will be that the world will be in such a state by then, we'll hardly notice.

The impact of leaving the EU on the economy will be lost within the impact of the virus. The problem will be the promises being made by Johnson because let’s face it, if you look at Northern Ireland he lied shock horror. The government appear to say that please ignore the additional workload but concentrate on the fact that we are not building new border posts like the EU requested but we are extending what is there already.
We cannot leave on a no deal because it is blatantly obvious that saying we are a big world player, we are not and the application of tariffs will have a big impact on a country whose people are suffering a severe recession.

Nothing much. But we have left, even if in name only in 2020, and this isn’t about Brexit anymore but about establishing a new relationship and securing a trade deal with the EU. Or, indeed, not doing so.



The Remain camp has been comprehensively defeated, and has ceased to exist in any meaningful sense. We went through the gamut of denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance, all the way to a political dead end. It failed to stop Brexit and it cannot mitigate it. That’s what we have to accept. There’s no good outcome from our POV (WTO-Australia or Canada-minus, who gives a poop?), all we can do is watch and enjoy the discomfiture of Johnson and Gove. They won, but it is a victory that has trapped them, and there’ll be a morbid joy in watching their dishonesty/stupidity coming back to haunt them. I mean, we’re all a wee bit stuffed as well, and that is going to be massively exacerbated by COVID, but that is all the more reason to find our pleasures where we can. I don’t want us to fail, but if we’re going to, I might as well have some fun slinging metaphorical turds at the divs who led the march. Loss can be so liberating.

I don’t have a horse in this race. Or rather, I have all three - agonising and ultimately futile delay, desperate race against the clock to a humiliating climb down or kamikaze crash out in the heart of an economic storm. In the absence of hope for something better, these are all defeats to savour.

As I see it, the EU wants the UK to carry forward too many of its rules to be tolerable for the UK government and public. The UK wants to retain too many of the benefits of membership without being a member to be tolerable to the EU. So I think we’re headed towards no new deal. The question, imo, is the timing of it. Any extension is meant to be about allowing more time for negotiation, but realistically could be used to avoid having to deal with one economic shock on top of another. That’s a tricky political sell but so is going the other way and looking stubbornly doctrinaire in the face of a crisis.

Absolutely agree

To the victor belong the spoils...

I don’t know. That seems like a poor option, as do the others. We’re a bit screwed every which way. I don’t have a particular turd preference, but happily I don’t have to choose. These guys do... and they fully deserve the responsibility.



Tee hee.
#takecontol

Well, they’re in control now, aren’t they?!

To the victors, something that spoils.

If they follow the usual playbook they will try to focus on life after Brexit than what it was whilst we were members. It worked with the election where Johnson distanced himself from the previous 10 years of conservative rule. He is doing the same with the virus where past failures are either the Doctor’s fault regarding care home transfers, the scientists for stopping the testing regime and local councils for failing the same care homes.
He wants to concentrate on the now once again trying to persuade the country that they had no involvement in any of the mistakes.

Care homes are private businesses - 60% of which have had no Covid cases at all - they charge each customer plenty the least they could have done is isolate those coming back from hospital and provide their staff with sufficient/appropriate PPE.