Quote: Standee "as we've never met, I will forgive your assumptions as to my opinion.
Social Housing IS charity (look at the deeds of incorporation for any provider, they are charitable) People who do not NEED a 3 bedroom home should not be preventing people that do NEED a 3 bedroom home from having one. Bob Crow does not NEED Social Housing (he needs a bullet between the eyes, admittedly)'"
I look forward to your support for trades unions campaigning for (up to and including industrial action) wages that allow their members to forego the "charity" of being able to keep a roof over their heads, then, and the chance to take on that liberating burden of a mortgage.
You might wish to start with Cde Crow.
The problem with some who play this sort of line is a total lack of consistency.
It's all well and good saying that having a council house is an act of "charity", but given the cost of housing these days, thanks to the joys of The Market, a great many people need that "charity" or they will not have a roof over their heads. This would not actually be good for anyone – or for the national economy as a whole.
Yet many of those who, frankly, wet their knickers over home ownership, and would claim that council houses etc are "charity" would also scream about 'The Market' and not being beastly to employers if the question of levels of pay that allowed anyone to get a sensible mortgage on an averagely-priced property was to be raised.
Some people are so wedded to an idea – albeit very vague – of 'The Market', together with an abject terror of 'The State', that they appear incapable of joined-up thinking.
And in the meantime, we get the ideological cobblers that actually being able to have a roof over your head is an act of "charity".
On only a slight aside, why do some of the same people that would harp on about how 'socialism/communism has failed' ever think that capitalism hadn't? Why, in spite of all the historic evidence, do some people simply keep on about: 'well, we just need more open markets and more trickle down – because then it will trickle down, even though it never, ever has done before. But it will this time. Honest'?
Are they dishonest? Or are they simply like a secular form of religious believer?