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Quote: Durham Giant "Interesting that the Tory supporters on here really struggle to understand what Thatcherism was about.

1983 keep the pits open and subsidise them a little to keep the industry going.
“No the market determines everything let the industry die”


2021. We need the car plant at Nissan to be subsidised so it does not close .
“ Oh ok here is 50 million please don’t close as it will make Brexit and us look stupid. “

That same pattern will be repeated ad nauseous in the next few years.

Which one is right state intervention to save Nissan workers or no state intervention and sod the miners'"

Some of the pits that Scargill wanted to save were costing over £500 to produce £1 worth of coal. Economic suicide

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Quote: chissitt "Right so all the people of the North who voted labour were the only people who felt the fall out from the fight between the government and the unions, people such as myself and my workmates who weren't in a union who didn't have a union to fall back on because back in the day unions were frowned upon in private enterprise to a large extent and we were shopping at different shops, what you are saying also is that we were exempt from relative hardship due in the main to the weaker labour governments getting into bed with the powerful union leaders and pleasing them at all costs to the tune of jobs for the boys at whatever price to stay in government, which inevitably led to the confrontations with Thatcher and bully boy Scargill and his cronies who thought that they should run the country and decide there would be no redundancies whatever the cost to the general public wherever they chose to live
It's good you agree that the unions needed tempering because it was not funny having no lighting and heating due to power cuts brought on by power crazed union leaders fuelled by greed, and one last thing, I do hope the we got a damn good kicking from the Tory establishment isn't just reserved for you because a lot of innocent people felt the hardship due in the main to Scargill.'"


I take it that your not a Scargill fan ?

Seriously though, the jobs for the boys comment is quite strange, given that this is exactly how the country works (on both sides of the political divide). Nepotism is alive and well at both ends of the political spectrum.
The "kicking" from the Tory establishment as part of the collateral damage from Maggie's fight with the Unions clearly hit everyone "up north" and for 2 or 3 generations, you could argue that, in economic terms, "we" still haven't fully got over it.

The point I was trying to make with this is that, the population of the North felt the full effect of this.
Yes, they also endured the hardship and difficulties of the 3 day week and the effects of the endless strikes of the 70's but, they also hit the hardest in terms of the change to the industrial landscape and the decimation of heavy industry.

Unions or not, it was and still is a huge price to pay for a political battle of wills

The so called "great leader" looked after her own to the detriment of those outside of her Tory voting public.

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Thatcher was simply a Fascist, who idolised Augusta Pinochet Chilean Dictator and Mass Populace Murderer.

Her modus operandus mirrored his policies.

Summed up succinctly by her Poll Tax icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: wotsupcas "Some of the pits that Scargill wanted to save were costing over £500 to produce £1 worth of coal. Economic suicide'"


One of the most uneconomical was up here in the north east at Ellington 15 miles out under the North Sea. Took a full hour for the miners to get there from the shaft and an hour to get back . Nearly 20% of shift time . Despite being closed by Thatcher it was still reopened by a private company RJB for several years so I would live to see where you get the £500 to make £1 from.

If you don’t provide any evidence I will assume you just invented that figure to support your political view. Wotsupcas is a Johnsonite !!!!

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Quote: Durham Giant "One of the most uneconomical was up here in the north east at Ellington 15 miles out under the North Sea. Took a full hour for the miners to get there from the shaft and an hour to get back . Nearly 20% of shift time . Despite being closed by Thatcher it was still reopened by a private company RJB for several years so I would live to see where you get the £500 to make £1 from.

If you don’t provide any evidence I will assume you just invented that figure to support your political view. Chissitt is a Johnsonite !!!!'"

You've got that wrong squire icon_lol.gif the mans a clown, only difference is he's not as big a clown as that muppet from your embarrassing lot, speaking of which, there's a couple of Wakey posters on here what make things up to suit they're political agenda, on that basis I just try and redress the balance as I don't think your party would have done any better, oh and I've put the extra T in chissitt for yer all reet, btw did I ever tell you how I got my user name icon_wink.gif

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Quote: chissitt ", there's a couple of Wakey posters on here what make things up to suit they're political agenda,

Nice one !

As for making stuff up, just because you mat not agree with what is being said doesn't mean that it's "made up" but, please feel free to point out anything that I've posted isnt true.

You may have me confused with a blond guy in a suit that lives at No 10. Now, he really does make things up.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Nice one !

As for making stuff up, just because you mat not agree with what is being said doesn't mean that it's "made up" but, please feel free to point out anything that I've posted isnt true.

You may have me confused with a blond guy in a suit that lives at No 10. Now, he really does make things up.'"

It's my pleasure icon_biggrin.gif

You see the problem I have reading your and pimpernels guff is just the same, I don't have the time or the inclination to find out whether you speak the truth or it's your imagination, I do wonder though where you get all your info from, you and pimpy must have some powerful allies in parliament if all your intel is true, unless of course your that naive enough to believe the labour supporting rags, putting all your bitterness to one side if it's possible on balance if you think that your loony party could have done better then you really are a pair of crackpots icon_stupid.gif

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The bottom line is that despite you indicating that we make things up but you cannot provide any proof that what I have posted was not correct. I bet you feel such a fool even more so for supporting a government run by a lying fool and his team of failures.
I would think your name came from Chester is it.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "The bottom line is that despite you indicating that we make things up but you cannot provide any proof that what I have posted was not correct. I bet you feel such a fool even more so for supporting a government run by a lying fool and his team of failures.
I would think your name came from Chester is it.'"

Pimpy me owd, I've never even voted for the player of the year down at Bellevue never mind voted for a member of parliament, but credit to you because your right in your belief about the lying fool and his team of failures, what beggers belief though is your inability to recognise the other
team of inadequate fools whose every word you hang on.

It's not for me to prove your lying as in reality I am only doubting your insinuations regarding Boris and his mates, just because you've read it in the guardian or the mirror doesn't make it true despite your eagerness and tendency to over exaggerate every rumour put out by the far left hacks, it's more down to you to substantiate your claims about the government's inadequacies than me to defend them.

As for the Chester remark, a quick look at my posts you will see that the last time I posted on the Wakey board was in 2015 well before Chester was at the club, and have only recently started posting again and in fact have never mentioned Chester at all, where as you have personally mounted a vendetta against the man resulting in warnings from the moderators for excessive abuse, oh and one last thing I was talking to the green keeper the other day from the golf club you frequent, him who keeps telling me lies about you allegedly icon_biggrin.gif

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I couldn’t even tell what the green keeper looks like and I certainly have never spoken to him. I have also never been reported for golf course abuse and I know that our chief executive has never had a reason to report me to my golf club. The other problem is that Carter is not a member and I have never seen him on the course.
I don’t remember being warned for abusing Chester but I did think he had reached his expiry date and I still believe it. He was taking the club backwards rapidly towards relegation maybe not this season but certainly the next plus he would single handily reduce the club’s income.
I take the view that if you choose not to vote then you have no right to criticise any party, the same for the council elections.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "I couldn’t even tell what the green keeper looks like and I certainly have never spoken to him. I have also never been reported for golf course abuse and I know that our chief executive has never had a reason to report me to my golf club. The other problem is that Carter is not a member and I have never seen him on the course.
I take the view that if you choose not to vote then you have no right to criticise any party, the same for the council elections.'"

You need to wind your neck in and read my post again squire, I haven't said you had been reported for golf course abuse and tbh I wouldn't know what is was anyway unless you had a pee behind a tree and was seen by a lady member, A couple of puzzling things here, firstly how do you know you've never spoken to the green keeper if you don't know what he looks like, secondly what has the chief executive got to do with it ? I never mentioned Carter and why on earth would he report you to "your golf club" if he's not a member and never been to "your golf club"

Didn't know I was specifically criticising any party, just showing my contempt really same with you with your condemnation of Chester, the Mayor of Barnsley lives 50 yard off me, she's got a smile on her face every time she rings my door bell begging, when she passes on her way to the local shop she always manages to look the other way, probably instilled in her from birth like all politicians, local or not, as for my previous post you responded to in part, feel free to ignore the parts you feel you can't give a reasonable reply to, I fully understand your embarrassment, were you a decent rugby player back in the day?, I ask that simply because you have a very good sidestep when avoiding questions icon_biggrin.gif

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You forget that you have accused me of being anti Carter because he reported me for chipping a ball on the green or is it now becoming an age thing with you. I know that the green keepers are easily identifiable because they are either pushing a mower, sat on a mower or raking bunkers. They also tend not to be carrying golf clubs which I think is a giveaway don’t you. This they usually do during the week and I only play on a weekend, that is why I know I have never spoken to them. I have also never been reported or suspended for any actions whilst playing and if you knew me then you would know that.
I think you are beginning to forget what you have posted based on the last one above. I don’t need to swerve your statements because they are always based on a false premise.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "You forget that you have accused me of being anti Carter because he reported me for chipping a ball on the green or is it now becoming an age thing with you. I know that the green keepers are easily identifiable because they are either pushing a mower, sat on a mower or raking bunkers. They also tend not to be carrying golf clubs which I think is a giveaway don’t you. This they usually do during the week and I only play on a weekend, that is why I know I have never spoken to them. I have also never been reported or suspended for any actions whilst playing and if you knew me then you would know that.
I think you are beginning to forget what you have posted based on the last one above. I don’t need to swerve your statements because they are always based on a false premise.'"

I really haven't got a clue what your on about with this Carter thing but I can see where your going with it anything to change the subject eh, perhaps you can point out to me where apart from my last post where I have ever mentioned Carter to you, having never been on a golf course in my life I would not know the problem of chipping a ball on the green, and assuming there's a problem with that how on earth do I know Carter reported you? with regards to the green keeper maybe he plays himself at the week end and he's just sick of you mouthing off, no I don't know you personally but he has pointed you out when you have been sat in your pit in the East stand but I do know your brother though the landlord or ex on Stanley Rd or are you going to deny that as well, perhaps you'd like to reply to my posts in general on the thread title instead of side footing the issues with your denials and waffling on about golf.

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Quote: chissitt "You've got that wrong squire
Back on topic either provide evidence that we made things up to suit our political agenda or admit that you made this up and actually have nothing at all.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "Back on topic either provide evidence that we made things up to suit our political agenda or admit that you made this up and actually have nothing at all.'"

Okay then as you probably know I can't provide evidence as I've not got the connections in the right places as you would have us believe you have, but other than not believing a word that comes out of your mouth (that's singular btw as I don't include wrenners in that) the onus is on you to verify all this waffle and anti government propaganda you keep coming out with, show us your proof squire, show me that your not the little fibber I believe you to be, remember I have caught you out telling porkies before now icon_smile.gif

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 Thu 22nd May 2025
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Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
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v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
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14:30
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v
Leeds
17:30
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 Sun 25th May 2025
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 Thu 29th May 2025
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 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
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Hull KR
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 Sat 31st May 2025
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Wakefield
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 Sun 1st Jun 2025
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Castleford
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Thu 13th Feb
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20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
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15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
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Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
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Wakefield-Hull KR
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Warrington-Catalans
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Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
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15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
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Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
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Wigan-Huddersfield
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This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
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