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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "
If working class people were given opportunity, and a route to a more affluent future, they may not vote for a monkey with a red rosette. Given a monkey had better policies than the Labour party at the time this was a real worry.'"
This was very true, emphasised by the Labour party of the time moving as far to the left during her reign as they dare, a policy that clearly didn't work.
Quote: XBrettKennyX "Labour has a vested interest in keeping the status quo. It is terrified of the removal of the working class. Maggie on the other hand encouraged it.'"
You should have used the word "had" rather than "has", the present tense is very much untrue as the current Labour party bears no resemblance to any Labour party that existed during or prior to Thatchers era.
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6505_1460484023.jpg [i:10za56ci]Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm
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| Quote: SaintsFan "An agnostic is someone who doesn't know what to believe or indeed whether to believe at all. To be religious one has to first believe.'"
Nope. An agnostic is simply someone who accepts that there is no evidence to prove the existence or otherwise of a god or gods. They can still believe in one or not. Agnosticism is not a stance in itself, it modifies either theism or atheism.
This may helphttp://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c123/RealKosh/AgnosticvGnosticvAtheistvTheist.jpg" >
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23521.jpg [quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x]
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| Quote: Kosh "Nope. An agnostic is simply someone who accepts that there is no evidence to prove the existence or otherwise of a god or gods. They can still believe in one or not. Agnosticism is not a stance in itself, it modifies either theism or atheism.
This may helphttp://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c123/RealKosh/AgnosticvGnosticvAtheistvTheist.jpg" >'"
Where does anti theist fit in?
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6505_1460484023.jpg [i:10za56ci]Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "No need for the patronising tone "pickle". Some of us also lived through it.
Presumably you also "lived" the power cuts, the sh*t piling up in the street, the dead not being buried, the continuous tag of "the sick man of Europe"
Or do you have a selective memory?'"
My memory is fine. As is my ability to comprehend what I read and respond accordingly rather than just jump in with both feet and make myself look a tit.
As an example, would you care to tell me what my opinion of Thatcher and/or the period immediately before her election was? Or did you just see me sparring with a comedy wind-up account and jump to some conclusions?
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| Probably the most vile thread I have ever read on here. Some people should be ashamed.
I personally think Arthur Scargill was a petty crook and a gangster who intimidated people into joining his big struggle. I had and still have no sympathy for miners who IMO were greedy self serving men who didn't give a toss about anybody but themselves.
That said when Scargill dies I will not rejoice and when one of the few remaining niners dies in a pit accident I won't take any pleasure from it I will be saddened.
This is because I'm a human being and accept life is never black and white and that all but the biggest monsters like Stalin (of whom Scargill is a fan) most people do what they do for what they see as the best of reason.
Now show some dignity, humanity and decency and rise above it or remain the pigs you appear.
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| Its always funny to see someone take the moral highground by defending some pretty awful stuff.
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| Quote: Lord Elpers " ... The 1984-5 miners strike was caused by the arrogant self important and very foolish miners leader Scargill who led the poor miners over the cliff. He thought he could bully Mrs T and she made him look the fool that he was. But make no mistake it was this disatrous year long strike that spelt the death knell for the coal industry. Unions and left wingers have tried to push the blame on Mrs T but she was the democratically elected leader of the country who was prepared to do her duty on behalf of the majority of the country without fear or favour. While Scargill was the most undemocratic leader you could imagine and the main culprit....'"
Scargill was a total p1ll0ck, even many lefties agree with that.
But the strike was not the death knell.
The strike was in protest against the death knell.
Thatcher brought in McGregor and paid him £1m to close down most of the pits (Scargill got that bit right) and THAT is what the strike was about.
You have confused cause and effect.
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| Quote: DHM "I don't think there will ever be another British PM who was able to cope with the suffering and misery of so many other people. She was a real hero.
Dennis Healey once said "The further you travel from Britain, the more popular Mrs Thatcher becomes". Many people posting their love for Thatcher on this thread and in the newspapers are clearly from another f******g universe.'"
The suffering and misery for the majority of the population at the time was caused by the greedy and selfish unions undemocratic industrial action. If there was misery for the strikers that was self inflicted. The unions mishandling of the situation brought on a popular tidal wave against them that they have never recovered from and is why they have since vilfied Mrs Thatcher in an attempt to cover over their failures and guilt in the same manner that Scargill tried to cover over his bald head. Both failures. Mrs T in her final years made errors but it should be remembered that it was the Conservative party and not the public that ousted her.
Dennis Healey was one of the architects of the disaster that required the IMF bail out and led to the Winter of Discontent. I think you can discount what that pompous oaf said as it showed how out of touch he was for saying it and you for quoting it. May I remind you how popular she was as the people of this country swept her to power for 3 straights election wins on the trot.
The country needed a radical overhaul and in undertaking this task she naturally made enemies from the sector that felt the most pain. If you wish to believe just one negative aspect of her leadership thats up to you. But the history books will show there were two sides to the lady and the positive one was by far the most important.
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| Quote: Kosh "Do history? Some of us lived it, cockle. Which is why we're immune to your particular line of revisionist bullcrap.'"
So where were you working in the 70's then?
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| I was just watching Margaret Thatcher on the BBC iPlayer, and Neil Kinnock didn't have anything positive to say about Scargill at all when it got around to the miners strike, basically putting all the blame on him.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Its always funny to see someone take the moral highground by defending some pretty awful stuff.'"
I take it you are referring to the awful greed from the undemocratic unions that almost brought the whole UK to a halt in the 70's?
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "No need for the patronising tone "pickle". Some of us also lived through it.
Presumably you also "lived" the power cuts, the sh*t piling up in the street, the dead not being buried, the continuous tag of "the sick man of Europe"
Or do you have a selective memory?'"
Well I presume you do as the power cuts were under the Heath government.
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "The most amusing thing about some posts on this thread is that they somehow see Thatcher as being a figurehead for the rich elite, somehow stamping on the working class.
They couldn't be more wrong.
Thatcher was all about breaking down so called "class barriers". Opportunity for all replaced "the old boys networks".
Of course the Socialists were terrified of this (as were some members of the Tory party to be fair).
If working class people were given opportunity, and a route to a more affluent future, they may not vote for a monkey with a red rosette. Given a monkey had better policies than the Labour party at the time this was a real worry. So they stay at home and the state pays for them instead of working in steel,coal and all industry we once were proud to have and contribute to the system? I still work underground and have done for 36 yrs,I have seen the butchering with my own eyes.12 months I was on strike fighting to keep my pit and jobs,not for a pay rise but a JOB.When they dig the hole for the evil cow I hope it's big enough to put the scabs in who took their pieces of silver and run.ROT IN HELL.
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| Quote: Lord Elpers " May I remind you how popular she was as the people of this country swept her to power for 3 straights election wins on the trot.
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Was she as popular as Tony Blair?
After all he too swept to victory with three straight election wins in 1997, 2001 & 2005
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[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
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| Quote: Lord Elpers "I take it you are referring to the awful greed from the undemocratic unions that almost brought the whole UK to a halt in the 70's?'"
More the sheltering of Pinochet, section 28, sending the SAS to train the Khmer Rouge, the corrupt arms deals with Saudi Arabia, relationship with PW Both, response to Nelson Mandela.
Though Im not sure how miners striking for a few extra perks and bit more money is ‘awful greed’ yet the systematic rape of the country natural resources and national wealth and the disgusting widening of the gap between rich and poor, as well as the casino banking that were all part of Thatcherism isn’t greed, but something to be admired.
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