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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "
Which brings me to another question or two that i think are pertinent?

1. Where was her god, and her family's god, when all this was going on, and why didn't he stop it?

2. If he couldn't, then he's not god. If he could but didn't, then he's an utter asshole who is worthy of nothing but the deepest contempt. The same contempt that I would feel for any human who had been in the perfect position to prevent the killing at no risk to themselves but chose to do nothing and let her die. Why anyone would want to "worship" and "praise" such a piece of work is the question that I can only assume all religious adherents somehow manage to fail to ask themselves.'"


In order to answer your question you need to understand the concept or sin.

The Bible tells us that the wages (punishment) of sin is death. Therefore we deserve to die as soon as we disobey God. This doesn’t happen – obviously – so we see here the patience and love of God. The fact that he lets us live at all is testament to his glory.

We should also remember that God planned the outcome of everything before he created the world. Every single electron on this planet is moving in accordance with God’s appointment. Therefore it is clear that God means everything to happen. God planned the Holocaust. God planned Dunblane. God planned 9/11.

And God planned this teenager’s tragic death.

You may find it hard to get your head around this - don’t worry, you’re not the first. However, this is reality.

So why do bad things happen? Because it is God’s righteous wrath on a disobedient people. It is not malevolent, it is just. An omnibenevolent God must be just, and God cannot simply ignore sin.

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Quote: kirkstaller "... So why do bad things happen? Because it is God’s righteous wrath on a disobedient people...'"


By your own logic – even that within this latest post – the 'disobedience' was created by your god. There is no 'choice' except that of god to kill people for doing what he decided they would do.

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Quote: kirkstaller " ... However, this is reality...'"

Your acquaintance with which is tenuous at best.

Quote: kirkstaller " ... So why do bad things happen? Because it is God’s righteous wrath on a disobedient people. It is not malevolent, it is just. An omnibenevolent God must be just, and God cannot simply ignore sin.'"

Here we go again...

God made man in his own image.
God planned everything.
Man did what God programmed him to do
God punishes man for doing what God programmed man to do

All so clear and logical, utterly [iproves[/i how benevolent God is, I can't imagine why the rest of us just don't go along with it ...

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Quote: kirkstaller "...And God planned this teenager’s tragic death...'"

God's a 2@ then.

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Quote: Rooster Booster "...having a right to have utter contempt sounds a bit strong, "not like" may have made you look at lot less aggressive....'"

Just read the preceding "the wages of sin is death" bollox, then consider the innocents who die or are in pain, all in God's plan ... then tell me that utter contempt for the notion of a benevolent god (as described by St Kirkstall) is "aggressive".

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Quote: El Barbudo "
Here we go again...

God made man in his own image.
God planned everything.
Man did what God programmed him to do
God punishes man for doing what God programmed man to do

All so clear and logical, utterly [iproves[/i how benevolent God is, I can't imagine why the rest of us just don't go along with it ...'"


He definitely does love us because we are alive instead of being dead. You ought to thank him for every second he keeps you alive for.

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Quote: kirkstaller "He definitely does love us because we are alive instead of being dead. You ought to thank him for every second he keeps you alive for.'"

... should I also thank him for the teenager's death and for the pain and anguish her relatives will have been and probably still are suffering?

Did he not love her then?
Is he punishing her family?

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Quote: El Barbudo "... should I also thank him for the teenager's death and for the pain and anguish her relatives will have been and probably still are suffering?'"


I don’t know what the girl’s religious beliefs were and so it is deeply unwise to speculate on how she is feeling at the moment. Her parents, on the other hand, are probably heartbroken. I only can imagine their anguish.

Quote: El Barbudo "Did he not love her then?'"


God loves everyone, which is why we are not immediately killed as soon as we transgress his law.

Quote: El Barbudo "Is he punishing her family?'"


Punishment happens after death. He may be meting out his wrath in this world, though.

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Quote: kirkstaller "He definitely does love us because we are alive instead of being dead. You ought to thank him for every second he keeps you alive for.'"


What a load of utter bulldust.

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Quote: Dead Man Walking "What a load of utter bulldust.'"


He'sa fooking headbanger.
But his posts make me laugh. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: WIZEB "...But his posts make me laugh. I really do need to follow your example because, at present, I am becoming increasingly more irritated by his brand of pious, sermonising, fruitcakery.


Good word that ... fruitcakery.

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Quote: kirkstaller " ... God loves everyone, which is why we are not immediately killed as soon as we transgress his law...'"

That's lucky, it'd be a bit rough being killed for doing what he pre-ordained, wouldn't it?

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Quote: kirkstaller "I... Every single electron on this planet is moving in accordance with God’s appointment. '"

I see. God personally controls every single subatomic particle. No wonder he's too busy to stop innocent schoolgirls being knifed to death.

Quote: kirkstaller " God planned this teenager’s tragic death. '"

This is my point. Anyone who planned that death is really, truly, unambiguously and definitely not worth "following", let alone worshipping. If god had indeed planned her death then he is a murderer too.

Quote: kirkstaller "You may find it hard to get your head around this '"

No, it couldn't be more straightforward. You worship a murdering scumbag with no thought for the immense grief and pain which his quixotic psychopathic tendencies brings to his "creations".

Quote: kirkstaller "YSo why do bad things happen? Because it is God’s righteous wrath on a disobedient people. It is not malevolent, it is just.'"

So god thought, "I'll vent my righteous wrath on a disobedient people" by arranging for a lunatic to stab an innocent schoolgirl to death. Just that one. None of her mates, or the rest of the school population. If you cannot see the lunacy of this proposition, then you really are beyond help. Your logic circuits are FUBAR. Your head isn't working any more.

Quote: kirkstaller " An omnibenevolent God must be just,'"

Well, yes, and your is seemingly anything but just. So what does that tell you?

Quote: kirkstaller "and God cannot simply ignore sin.'"

Yes, he can, since (by defintion) he ignores at least 99.9% of all sin, if we are all sinners, yet none of us apart from a tiny percentage meet this righteous wrath. He ignores it all. Yet serendipitously picks on a random young girl and her family and friends, and plans her death in the most sensless and cruel way. Even if you accepted the proposition that he "cannot ignore sin", why would he not start by exercising his righteous wrath on those rather more deserving?

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Quote: El Barbudo "


Good word that ... fruitcakery.'"


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