Do the US have a free trade deal with the EU ?

How long have the EU been trying to get TTIP across the line - perhaps a smaller more agile country could achieve the same deal in less time?

Quote: Sal Paradise "How long have the EU been trying to get TTIP across the line - perhaps a smaller more agile country could achieve the same deal in less time?'" From beginning to end or before, given the EU’s head start? A genuine worry is that someone like Johnson or Raab might rush through botched deals to show some benefits of having done whatever we end up doing. This might have been put on the thread earlier, I guess - but I quite liked it: https://www.dezeen.com/2018/11/15/brexi ... n-pottery/

Quote: Sal Paradise "How long have the EU been trying to get TTIP across the line - perhaps a smaller more agile country could achieve the same deal in less time?'" From beginning to end or before, given the EU’s head start? A genuine worry is that someone like Johnson or Raab might rush through botched deals to show some benefits of having done whatever we end up doing. This might have been put on the thread earlier, I guess - but I quite liked it: https://www.dezeen.com/2018/11/15/brexi ... n-pottery/

They’re strongly incentivised not to, imo. It’d encourage those think we just need to speak loudly and slowly to the idiot foreigners to secure a better deal.

They gave Dave something bring home and sell. They gave Theresa something to bring home and sell. I think they might now welcome to the opportunity to tell us to get stuffed for a change. If it turns really shizzle, it at least demonstrates the value of the EU, so there’d be that consolation for its continental advocates.

Much as I dislike most things Troy, I'm not sure how much they gave either Cameron or May to work with, it was not in their interests to do so.

The one absolute certainty is that, they (the EU), were never going to make it "easy" for us (or anyone else) to leave and why should they ?

If I were May I would simply threaten a GE if the Tory MPs don't come to there senses. A number will lose their seats especially if May is the Tory leader going into the GE.

I agree. The special status that Cameron wanted was always going to have to be superficial - or everybody would be crying out for their own version. And he was asking for extra on top of the UK rebate. May’s red lines meant they couldn’t give us much of the good stuff or there’d be a rush for the exit. It has more been a case of them explaining the consequences of her decisions and sorting out the technical details than a back and forth negotiation - that’s the impression I get, anyway.

I suspect a lot of the rebel Tories will be willing to give way on the Irish border backstop, whether enough will... At some point May will have to unequivocally say what the real alternative to voting for her deal is. Technically it is no deal, but there’s still a sense that ad we approach the cliff edge, she would hit the brakes. Sometimes it is a diminishing sense, but if the preparations look half-baked I think the voices of concern will get ever louder.

Labour need some tories to save them from having to save May from some other tories. It’s a multilevel game of chicken.

One thing that everyone must agree with is that the shower that we vote for in the commons what ever the party are a total waste of space, They never seem to learn. Their credibility was shot to bits during the recent expenses scandal, even more recently the SNP swept the board in Scotland yet, in the referendum they voted to stay in the UK, they just cannot see that people are totally fed up with all of the main parties. They now have an opportunity to make good on a democratic vote of the people and they cannot and won't deliver. If we need money for the NHS and more housing get rid of that jobs for the boys lot in the House of Lords. I am traditionally a Labour voter, but cannot vote for "everything is still on the table Labour". Who the hell do I vote for.

Even that wont work.

Had Brexit been a party issue, the thing would have been sorted long ago but, it's not.
Both of the main parties are badly split on the issue and with so many of our MP being in favour of remain, despite their constituants having voted " leave", they either run with their conscience or, follow the will of the voting public and far too many wish to follow their conscience.
Add to that "the deal that pleases no one nad you reach the current stalemate.

Fair points however if we go back to the country and they again vote to leave these remain MPs will never accept a leave position. So where do you go from there? If we are leaving the only way to leave is no deal - we cannot do an equitable deal with EU it is simply not in their best interest to do so.

One thing that has come to my mind - if the EU spends more money with the UK than we do with them would there not be a gain in tarrifs for the UK. Also some of the products coming from outside of the EU carry tarrifs surely these would disappear on an exit?

I think that is complete rubbish. They might not like it but they will accept it.

Why dont they accept the result of the first referendum.

Everything is starting to look like a no deal (or May's deal), she's certainly playing hard ball (probably hoping that our elected members go for the (slightly) lesser of 2 evils.

You have to smile at her "reaching out", which was a pure publicity stunt and just an excerscise in buying yet more time , instead of actually listening to anyone ?

I't starting to look like the right wing of the Tories are going to win the day and we'll probably have hanging and the birch back on the political agenda before too long.

You'd have to ask them individually but I'd say they feel the public voted in ignorance, they were misled & now better understand the impact of leaving.

1. General Election
2. Extend Article 50
3. The party who wins renegotiates with the EU and comes back with their best deal
4. Go to the people to vote on that deal (3), No Deal, or Remain
5. Eliminate whichever option gets the lowest vote
6. Go back to the people with the remaining 2 options
5. Implement whichever option gets a majority

Sorted.