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Quote: wotsupcas "No they shouldn't be able to travel through other safe countries to claim asylum in their county of choice. It shouldn't be like choosing your annual holiday destination.'"

Of course until we left the EU we were part of a system which allowed us to return people arriving in the UK to France or other EU countries. As part of taking back control we no longer have that option.

So we'd need the UK to withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention which explicitly states there is no 'first country' rule.

How far are people willing to go to make the UK a pariah country? It's not as if, in context, the UK has very many asylum seekers in the first place despite what the Mail and Express tell their readers.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Of course until we left the EU we were part of a system which allowed us to return people arriving in the UK to France or other EU countries. As part of taking back control we no longer have that option.

So we'd need the UK to withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention which explicitly states there is no 'first country' rule.

How far are people willing to go to make the UK a pariah country? It's not as if, in context, the UK has very many asylum seekers in the first place despite what the Mail and Express tell their readers.'"


How dare you destroy a Rant with Facts

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Quote: Jukesays "How dare you destroy a Rant with Facts'"

I see your erectile dysfunction is still a problem then.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Indeed.
It does make you wonder what the UK has, thet, say, France or Germany (or any other EU country) hasn't got.'"


A big factor is probably language. There are more English speakers either as a first or second language than any other; it will make resettlement significantly easier if you can speak the language of that country. Leaving out the ease of the processes as I have no knowledge, I think it's probably appealing to go to somewhere which already has a sizeable community of people from the same country and we are quite a welcoming country anyway - despite what some on this forum would have you believe.

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Quote: chissitt "I see your erectile dysfunction is still a problem then.'"


See your still giving opinions and defending one side even though you don't really want to be involved (Honestly)

Anything to contribute?

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Quote: secondstanza "A big factor is probably language. There are more English speakers either as a first or second language than any other; it will make resettlement significantly easier if you can speak the language of that country. Leaving out the ease of the processes as I have no knowledge, I think it's probably appealing to go to somewhere which already has a sizeable community of people from the same country and we are quite a welcoming country anyway - despite what some on this forum would have you believe.'"


France and Germany also have such communities.
Germany take far more asylum seekers/ immigrants than we do in the UK, maybe France too but, I'm not certain ?

In the Tory press, this is portrayed as a UK only issue, when it absolutely isn't.

The whole concept of remaining in the country where you were born no longer seems to apply and in fairness, why should anyone settle with the hand they are dealt, if they believe they can have a better life elsewhere.

The problem is that it's people can see how other nations function (internet etc) and if they can, why wouldn't they try to improve their lot ?

The flip side being that the almost 8 billion people cant all live in the same place.

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Quote: Jukesays "See your still giving opinions and defending one side even though you don't really want to be involved (Honestly)

Anything to contribute?'"

I just have done below if it helps and it's not my opinion it's a fact, It's not rocket science it's there for you if you care to research it though I doubt you have the capability, which side am I defending when I say it's easier to get asylum in the UK ? bet you've got plenty of O. levels icon_lol.gif

Them furriners aren't welcome here. And it's ABSOLUTELY NOT because we can't stand the sight of them. No you see it's simply cos we're all living cheek by jowl here in the UK icon_lol.gif

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Quote: wotsupcas "Sorry but he's correct. Anyone arriving in a boat from France, having paid thousands to a criminal gang, is an economic migrant and is NOT an asylum seeker in any way shape or form.'"



Yet the facts do not support what you are saying.

1. High refusal rates

– The majority of UK asylum seekers’ claims (two in three) are turned down, the highest refusal rate in Europe. In Denmark, by contrast, four in five are successful.
2. Mistaken decisions

– A large number of initial decisions made by the Home Office on asylum cases are later found to be wrong. In 2016, the courts overturned Home Office decisions in 41% of asylum appeals.


What this shows is that 33% of those who arrive here via boats are accepted by the British Government , the British courts, the British civil service as being 100% Bona Fide asylum seekers .

Still let’s not let the boards little Tommy Robinson let facts get in the way of addressing the BIG problems that we face such as millions being unable to afford food, heating or proper beds for their children. It is all these forinners fault . Tommy, Farage , Bojo’s and wotsupcas’ arguement.

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Quote: Durham Giant "Yet the facts do not support what you are saying.

1. High refusal rates

– The majority of UK asylum seekers’ claims (two in three) are turned down, the highest refusal rate in Europe. In Denmark, by contrast, four in five are successful.
2. Mistaken decisions

– A large number of initial decisions made by the Home Office on asylum cases are later found to be wrong. In 2016, the courts overturned Home Office decisions in 41% of asylum appeals.


What this shows is that 33% of those who arrive here via boats are accepted by the British Government , the British courts, the British civil service as being 100% Bona Fide asylum seekers .

Still let’s not let the boards little Tommy Robinson let facts get in the way of addressing the BIG problems that we face such as millions being unable to afford food, heating or proper beds for their children. It is all these forinners fault . Tommy, Farage , Bojo’s and wotsupcas’ arguement.'"

So 67% aren't genuine asylum seekers then? Many thanks for making my argument for me icon_biggrin.gif
Love the innuendo that objecting to illegal immigration makes me a knuckle dragging racist. Classy but not untypical of the left.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "France and Germany also have such communities.'"


They do but they also have the unfortunate malady of speaking French and German which is a lot less attractive to someone who can speak their native language and English only. Add in the belief (correct or not) that their quality of life will be better in the UK I can see why someone who has been forced out of their own country is willing to take that risk.

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Quote: wotsupcas "So 67% aren't genuine asylum seekers then? Many thanks for making my argument for me
I thought you said 100% were illegal therefore it doesn’t make your argument.

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Quote: secondstanza "They do but they also have the unfortunate malady of speaking French and German which is a lot less attractive to someone who can speak their native language and English only. Add in the belief (correct or not) that their quality of life will be better in the UK I can see why someone who has been forced out of their own country is willing to take that risk.'"

Strange then that only a tiny fraction try to come to the UK compared to the numbers who go to and stay in Germany and France.

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